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ben306

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jeffers wrote:

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lotek wrote:

i suppoese being mintex they will be cheaper too so win-win

the ds2500 pads are the worst pads ever!!
i dont rate them at all. i got given a set from a friend for advertising his company.
i would never buy a set after these.

I doubt Ill be using another set of DS2500 now after them falling to bits and them now wanting to replace them.

what do you recommend?

Ben how old were your 2500's?? mine crumbled a bit and i actually phoned.... the name escapes me now, the people who own ferodo anyway and they sad it had been an issue and the compound had been adjusted slightly to cure the problem but i've not had a new set since so can't comment.... Unsure

I put them on for snetterton. That was back in Early August. They where only 3 weeks/600 miles old with a few laps on snetterton when they had crumbled away to nothing.

Sent them back and have been told its a caliper issue. Funny thing is the 3 or 4 sets of DS2500 before that where all right and fine. And the set of STANDARD pads Ive put on did the rest of snetterton, a few thousand miles and silverstone last week and still have a load of meat left on them.

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Posted 15th Sep 2010 at 18:55

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Hmmm i'd like to know more about these Mintex F6 pads though.... i think i'll have a nose round tonight when i proper net access.... Unsure

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Posted 15th Sep 2010 at 19:04

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Im the same, interested in teh F6's but cant seem to find much on them.

Jeffers.

Ive started another post HERE about the DS2500's, trying to see if theres a bit more to this than I originally thought

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Posted 15th Sep 2010 at 19:16

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Phil, can you find out if they'll be available to fit my wilwoods? The smart pads i have are ok but i think they lack the initial bite of some others. I'm willing to give them a try on yous say so anyway LOL

Bluestuff, or the F4/6s?

I've only done about 50 miles on the blues so I'm not giving them the thumbs up yet LOL

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Posted 15th Sep 2010 at 21:00

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The blue stuff mate. Dont worry tho if they're poor LOL

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Posted 15th Sep 2010 at 21:25

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These look like the right ones:

Clicky

But I've sent Andy an e-mail just to make sure they're the latest compound.

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phillipm wrote:

These look like the right ones:

Clicky

But I've sent Andy an e-mail just to make sure they're the latest compound.

I can't remember what they look like tbh. I've not took them out since I fitted them.

Off topic slightly, how much would it cost me for you to supply some competition 2 piece (alloy bells and rotors) in the same offset as an original disc? I believe they can be upto 24mm thick for my calipers but no bigger in diameter. But I think you'll know better Smile

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Posted 16th Sep 2010 at 01:08

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I'll price 'em up and see, it'll be a while yet though as the machines are busy with other work.

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I'll price 'em up and see, it'll be a while yet though as the machines are busy with other work.

It'll be while till I can afford to do it LOL

Out of interest, how much wider can I go with my calipers? I did look it up once but I can't even remember which ones I have LOL

24 or 25mm rings a bell Wink

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Would you be able to make wilwoods fit without spacers?

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Posted 16th Sep 2010 at 03:40

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Would you be able to make wilwoods fit without spacers?

I think the answer is yes. You just need to move the disc inwards by 10mm or so Smile

Not sure how far you can go before you start hitting the lower ball joint tho. I think Chris (Farmer) knows the measurement Smile

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I'm keen on going down that route.

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Interesting thread... I'm currently thinking about what pads to use with my 310mm Renault Brembo setup.

I've used DS1.11 in the past and although an excellent pad the dust they give off is very difficult to clean off wheels and bodywork Laugh

The Mintex F6 pads are getting very good reviews from a couple of people who already run them so I was going to order a set of those, but as I'm in no rush to get the setup onto the car I'll wait and see how these work out for you.

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Looks like I better crank some milage on then LOL

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SteviePut wrote:

phillipm wrote:

These look like the right ones:

Clicky

But I've sent Andy an e-mail just to make sure they're the latest compound.

I can't remember what they look like tbh. I've not took them out since I fitted them.

He's e-mailed me back, if you get the above ones and just put in the notes that you want the DM2116SC compound then they should sort you out with the new version.

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EBC donated a full set of standard discs and made some Bluestuff pads for our charity 'Ring Challenge cars - one 1994 BMW 525i and one 1997 Nissan Maxima.

We found them to be as good as the OEM brakes from cold, but with the advantage of not fading.

Driving the cars around the Ring however, we found that they were excellent. As they got up to temp, they really bit hard and, although they started to smell a bit after repeated runs, they never showed even a hint of fade!

Both cars did several laps of the Ring before driving back to the hotel and then the 600 miles home. Neither driver ever had anything but total confidence in the brakes.

I'd recommend Bluestuff to anyone with a heavier car, but I'd love to see how good they are on a smaller car.

We were so impressed by them that I'm looking into buying some for my 306 GTi and my Nissan 200SX (S13) (EBC recommended I got Yellowstuff for both) and another guy on the trip ordered a full set of Redstuff for his old man Jag as soon as he returned.

This might sound like an ad, but I don't care. Big grin

And I'm still driving around in the 525i, I love it.

The only downside I can think of is they squeal a bit with the standard discs. Oh, and they make a bit of a noise when braking. Both are bearable.

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You do have to bear in mind my discs mean the pads work from cold where they might not bite quite so hard on a standard disc setup - they're find from cold on mine which is only just over a ton and only the wee 1.4, but it might not be the case on a standard disc.

Anyway, up to to 210 miles now, pedal feel is excellent - I'd say better than either 1144's or 2500's, again, bite from cold is just as hard, if not a touch harder, than 1144's, but they do get notably better after a couple of stops.
Still a little rumbly when cold but it's going away as they bed in further, haven't pushed them hard yet for fade resistance but give me a week and we'll see.

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We've covered well over 2,000 miles on them in each car now (1,200 was the trip to Nurburg and back) without any problems at all.

Even from cold with standard discs, they bite as well as the OEM setup did.

I'm seriously impressed with them.

Posted 17th Sep 2010 at 22:04

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I'm gonna whip them out again in a couple of weeks and then a few months later and check for the old EBC crumbling/lifting problem. Andy reckoned it's sorted with the new binders and backing pad so worth a look.

Tbh, I was expecting them to be shite cold, decent warm, squeal like f*ck and eat my discs LOL

But so far they seem like a decent alternative to 1144/1155/DS2500's and at the minute they're just getting better as the miles pile on. Dunno

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Any update on these Phil?

Had my pads out today and there's not much left LOL

Curiously I found the pads on the offside worn un-evenly. i.e looking at the side of the pads it's worn diagonally rather than flat. Would you say they could do with bleeding more? I was planning on getting some AP fluid for it anyway Smile

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Check the caliper mounts are clean from any corrosion - could be the actual caliper that's not quite square to the disc.

Anyway, so far, so good, still no noise, still working just as well as 1144's from cold, and I reckon they're probably about 15% more outright braking power than 1144's as soon as they get a touch of heat.
Initial bite is good, pedal feel is still better than the 1144's was, dust seems to be on a par with 1144 but it's a little 'sticky' - like Ferrodo's - a bit harder to clean off but not in elbow grease + acid wheel cleaner league.
As far as I can tell they don't seem to be chewing into the disc, but I haven't done enough miles for a wear review yet.

EBC class it as their new race/endurance pad, but I reckon they might actually have just made their first decent track/road pad LOL

I'll keep updating as it goes on.

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phillipm wrote:

Check the caliper mounts are clean from any corrosion - could be the actual caliper that's not quite square to the disc.

I'm not so sure it's the above mate. If that was the case both pads on that side would be un-even. It's only the outer pads that has worn unevenly. It's looks as if one piston has been pushing harder than the other - if that makes sense LOL

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That could be a worn wheel bearing, meaning that the brakes are trying to stand the wheel up when braking.

Posted 26th Sep 2010 at 17:57

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ash wrote:

That could be a worn wheel bearing, meaning that the brakes are trying to stand the wheel up when braking.

Cheers Ash.

I'd feel play in said bearing if it was that worn wouldn't I?

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Should be able to, stick a dial guage on the hub to the rim and give it a rock, see how much play it's got.

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