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Author Subject: Bluestuff NDX....yes, I know, ebc, run away...
phillipm

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Right, after Andy@EBC insisted the company has been turned around under the new management and that the new 2010 compounds are a leap forward in performance and, more importantly, quality control, he offered me a set of the new compound Bluestuff to test before they become available off-the-shelf, so, even though I swore never to fit EBC again, it was worth a try to see if the pads live up to the claims, so, onto first impressions:

Fitted mine tonight, in the dark, probably not the best way to mess with brakes...
Anyway, I've only run around for 10 minutes to bed them in, but first impressions:

Noisier than the 1144's on the wavy discs - they don't squeak at all, but you get a notable 'whirr' when slowing like with grooved discs, that the Mintex only displayed above 60mph - might go away once they've done a few more bedding sessions, we'll see.
They bite well enough straight from the box that they feel like OE pads - only when they're bedded in to the disc and you build the heat to get the pad working properly do they ever drop below that level - and that's only because of some green fade as they transfer material across.
As soon as letting them cool slightly after the fade goes, the initial pedal bite and outright power I would say is about 10-15% better than the 1144's, but they were getting better and better and the pedal was firming up on every stop, so I'll update again in a few hundred miles with some fade and wear reports hopefully.

Mine came with rubber anti-squeal pads that Andy recommended I didn't take off, but being me I'm afraid I've ignored him put them in the bin in the hope of better pedal feel - I haven't had any sort of squeal at all, but that's not to say you won't get it on standard discs, as the wavies suppress 95% of squeal anyway.

I'll whip 'em out a few times along the way to check for any signs of seperation or crumbling too, although these new pads are supposed to have an interface layer to increase the surface area for bonding the pad on, so hopefully there'll be no more scary moments from the compounds having fallen off the backing plate...

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Posted 14th Sep 2010 at 03:39
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any idea of costing on these pads? Thumbs up
Posted 14th Sep 2010 at 03:46
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Don't know yet but he reckoned they'd probably be cheaper than 2500's/1144's in the same fitments, so probably about 70-80 quid, and about 40-50 for the rears.
Obviously my pads are a different shape to the gti6's though.

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Posted 14th Sep 2010 at 03:52
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EBCNo No

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Posted 14th Sep 2010 at 06:51
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Never mind the bite from cold, what are the friction levels on your palm like with these fitted (are they paying you commission)? Wink Razz

Nah but seriously, it's always good to have more choices. We could do with updating the FAQ section it's very old by now and there have been a lot of developments since then - not to mention Carbon Lorraines and the frankly awesome Mintex F6R that is now my favourite pad.

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Posted 14th Sep 2010 at 15:38
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midlife wrote:
EBCNo No

Cool


Yeah, that was my initial thoughts, but we'll see...
On the upside, I've got the backing pads from the 1144's I can use to send off and have some XP8's built on, saves me making some!

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Posted 14th Sep 2010 at 16:10
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Wouldnt mind trying them after my recent experience with the DS2500.

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Posted 14th Sep 2010 at 16:19
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I just need to swap to rear discs so I can try my rear set LOL

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Posted 14th Sep 2010 at 16:30
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Cant be any worse then the 2500's.

Got the report back saying it was a caliper issue. Funny how the previous 4 sets i had no issue, and the standard set I have on managed snetterton and silverstone and so far done 2000 miles and still have plenty of meat on them. The DS2500 did 600 miles and fell to bits

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Posted 14th Sep 2010 at 17:05
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Mintex F6 Mintex F6 Mintex F6... (repeat to fade..) Yes

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Posted 14th Sep 2010 at 17:12
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cosmic spanner wrote:
Mintex F6 Mintex F6 Mintex F6... (repeat to fade..) Yes


is there a write up about these anywhere?
How does the cold and hot pad work compared to OEM and 2500's?
are they road legal?
Posted 14th Sep 2010 at 18:37
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Mintex F6 Mintex F6 Mintex F6... (repeat to fade..) Yes


Or XP8/10's....
PF01's aren't bad either...
I haven't tried the DS3000+ on a road car yet but they felt great on a 6R4 I had a play in a while back.

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Posted 14th Sep 2010 at 20:08
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Are RC5s any nicer on discs?

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Posted 14th Sep 2010 at 20:29
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No idea, supposed to be but I haven't tried any.

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Posted 14th Sep 2010 at 20:35
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mintex FC6 eh? Hmm

they better than CL RC6 ?
Posted 14th Sep 2010 at 22:19
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Well the F6s don't release corrosive alien weld-blood for brake dust (unlike the Carbon Lorraines). Ask Denis or Ash about them, they're the ones who put me on to the Mintexes Thumbs up

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Posted 14th Sep 2010 at 22:32
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LOL

i suppoese being mintex they will be cheaper too so win-win

the ds2500 pads are the worst pads ever!!
i dont rate them at all. i got given a set from a friend for advertising his company.
i would never buy a set after these.
Posted 15th Sep 2010 at 01:24
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lotek wrote:
LOL

i suppoese being mintex they will be cheaper too so win-win

the ds2500 pads are the worst pads ever!!
i dont rate them at all. i got given a set from a friend for advertising his company.
i would never buy a set after these.


I doubt Ill be using another set of DS2500 now after them falling to bits and them now wanting to replace them.

what do you recommend?

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Posted 15th Sep 2010 at 13:15
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I've always liked the DS2500s tbh. I had problems with my 1144s so Razz

Will have a look at the F6s. Need new pads on the chav wagon you see

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Posted 15th Sep 2010 at 14:42
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I did up until this last set. Was really let down by ferodo

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Posted 15th Sep 2010 at 14:52
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im still loving my 1155's but these f6s pads are sounding interesting

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Posted 15th Sep 2010 at 14:55
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ben306 wrote:
lotek wrote:
LOL

i suppoese being mintex they will be cheaper too so win-win

the ds2500 pads are the worst pads ever!!
i dont rate them at all. i got given a set from a friend for advertising his company.
i would never buy a set after these.


I doubt Ill be using another set of DS2500 now after them falling to bits and them now wanting to replace them.

what do you recommend?


carbon lorraine RC6 Yes

compatable and Cheaper in clio fitment, 172 i think is the one.

if i dont get those, i may try the EBC yellowstuff that ash was raving about Yes
Posted 15th Sep 2010 at 15:51
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I loved RC6's on my bike, hot, cold, dry or wet and they still bite like fook, but I went through a few sets of rotors!

These EBC's are just getting better and better as they bed in, definately got more power cold or warm, and a firmer pedal than the 1144's too atm.
See how they change as they get a bit more bedding in on them, I haven't had them truly hot yet apart from the initial bedding as I want a few hundred miles on them first.

F6's and F4's are getting unanimously good reviews from the rally lads though...

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Posted 15th Sep 2010 at 17:00
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Phil, can you find out if they'll be available to fit my wilwoods? The smart pads i have are ok but i think they lack the initial bite of some others. I'm willing to give them a try on yous say so anyway LOL

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Posted 15th Sep 2010 at 17:49
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ben306 wrote:
lotek wrote:
LOL

i suppoese being mintex they will be cheaper too so win-win

the ds2500 pads are the worst pads ever!!
i dont rate them at all. i got given a set from a friend for advertising his company.
i would never buy a set after these.


I doubt Ill be using another set of DS2500 now after them falling to bits and them now wanting to replace them.

what do you recommend?

Ben how old were your 2500's?? mine crumbled a bit and i actually phoned.... the name escapes me now, the people who own ferodo anyway and they sad it had been an issue and the compound had been adjusted slightly to cure the problem but i've not had a new set since so can't comment....Unsure

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