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RetroPug

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Hello,

I recently acquired an Alpine IDA x100 on ebay for a very good price considering it included the ipod lead as well, stock picture attached. Click here for specifications.

Reading up on other people's setups, a lot of people are recommending Alpine SXE-1750s 6.5" as they are a direct fit and offer a nice upgrade over standard.

I have heard various opinions, but if I bought these would I be able to create some kind of decent set-up? Obviously an amp would improve the sound quality, but is it necessary when listening at low to medium volumes? I don't typically like having the music very loud, but would like it to be decent quality. The HU lists this under the specifications: "Power Output: 4 x 50W High Power Amplifier".

Secondly, if I run these, with standard rear-shelf speakers, am I going to have a system which has good mid and high range, but then nothing low down? I don't really want massive, car-shaking bass, but obviously I don't want to spend money on an audio system which ends up tinny and only playing 2/3 of the frequencies properly.

Thirdly, how much of a pain is installing something like this going to be? I was thinking of potentially finding some OEM interior wing mirror covers with the tweeter holes and trying to make these fit behind them. Are the speakers particularly difficult to wire up etc.? If I did need an amp, I am pretty much clueless about them. A friend of mine has a full alpine set-up in his clio 182 & he uses an "inline amp" which he wired inline with the HU, thus not needing an extra power supply as this saved a lot of hassle.

Alternatively, I could replace the shagged speakers with a full spare set of phase 2 OEM ones for free & have okay SQ with all of the good ipod functionality etc.

Any thoughts, advice etc. would be very much appreciated. I don't want to spend massive money at all, so recommendations for cheap set-ups that will be significantly better than standard would be appreciated. I do realise that you probably get what you pay for. If you have to spend massive money to go better than std. I will probably not bother.

Thanks.

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Posted 26th Nov 2013 at 14:42
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Bump. Am I going to get noticably better sound with std. speakers and this HU?
Is it worth having the components listed in the OP without getting an amp? Certainly people have reported improvements simply by fitting the factory-fitted tweeters from other 306 models.

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Posted 6th Dec 2013 at 20:13
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You should notice a nice improvement just fitting the head unit, aslong as like you've said you don't want the volume up too high I've always found the standard speakers to do a fairly decent job if in good condition.

Obviously a set of the speakers you've linked will improve quality again but will mainly give you clearer high frequencies. Personally I'd just fit the head unit, have a play about with the settings and then see if you feel the need to upgrade further.

I'd say the same if you decide to upgrade the speakers tbh, you will notice they are better than standard and they will work just fine without an amp but would be a further upgrade with one. It all depends how far you want to go and what your happy with really.

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Posted 7th Dec 2013 at 14:49
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Hmm, as I thought. The standard speakers are either not in good condition or have worked loose (difficult to tell), but I do have a spare, good set.

Thank you for the advice, I think you're right, probably worth saving my money and playing with the std. setup before deciding on an upgrade.

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Posted 7th Dec 2013 at 19:23
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Standard audio is gashFarmer. Dont be tight and spend some moneyYes

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Posted 17th Dec 2013 at 22:03
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My priority at the moment is getting decent rubber on the car as I'd rather have a great handling car with bad quality sound than no grip and great audio.

Does a Ph.1 aerial have an ISO or a DIN connector?

Also, does anyone know which patch lead I'll need for the audio control stalk to work with the HU in the OP?
There are several alpine ones listed for peugeot 306s. The car is a Ph.1 '6.

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Posted 19th Dec 2013 at 23:32
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RetroPug wrote:
Does a Ph.1 aerial have an ISO or a DIN connector?.


Erm ISO connectors dont have anything to do with the aerial connector and DIN is reference to the head unit size.

You having problems with your aerial lead?

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Posted 20th Dec 2013 at 10:38
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Oh. Got confused as on ebay they are all called things like this.

I've not had any problems yet would just like to have the right aerial adaptor before hand.
Also not sure which lead I need for stalk control but haven't had a proper look yet.

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Posted 21st Dec 2013 at 02:07
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Ha ebay. That explains it. On the same page it actually has a picture of what a real iso connector looks like. Muppets.

Anyway as for stalk control you will likely need 2 leads. Talking from experience on my pioneer. One pioneer lead that connects to the 3.5mm mini jack style socket in the head unit and a further autoleads harness that then links that to the car. From memory I was looking at alpine units before and would have been a similar setup. You will have to have a hunt for online car audio shops that do extensive ranges of this kind of paraphernalia. They are about if you look hard.

It was so long ago I got mine now I cant remember. But they were both from the same place. Be aware autoleads (from memory) have different harness adapters depending on what phase your six is so be diligent your ordering the right harness.

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Posted 21st Dec 2013 at 17:04
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Yes that's why I'm not sure which adaptor I'll need.

I might get it all working first and then worry about stalk control & speakers.

Thanks for the advice so far.

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Posted 21st Dec 2013 at 23:57
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The aerial adaptors are labelled as ISO or DIN as I thought, Maplins and Halfords also stock them labelled in this way.

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Posted 24th Dec 2013 at 13:13
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Could anyone recommend a good budget amp to go with the speakers and HU in the OP?
Absolutely willing to buy second hand so links to ebay auctions/offers to buy yours also welcome and considered. Alpine would be preferred.

I'm not even sure what specifications I should be looking for to be perfectly honest. I know that RMS is important but I've no idea what is good or bad etc.

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Posted 26th Dec 2013 at 21:11
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Is this the correct stalk adaptor for a Ph.1 gti-6? I believe so but would just like to check:
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Posted 7th Jan 2014 at 15:03
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I have always been a Pioneer kinda guy.
I just installed my good old p88rs and my ts-e170ci speakers again, after they have been shelved for two years.

The 170ci is a component set, (woofer, filters and and sound very nice for the price. They have fallen to half price now, since the model is a few years old. I got mine on amazon in Gernany for less than 90£ new, and I love them Smile
They only go as low as 30hz though, so don't expect bassy wonders.
They are not woofer like, but very clear mids, and give a crisp kick with fast response. Combine them with a sub for the best result. Maybe that could be something? I will upload a few pics in my thread in a couple of days.

P.S I didn't run speaker wires or any power cables in my ph1, but use the standard iso plugs, and they cope just fine. Thumbs up

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Slight thread bump since the OP's last post. It depends what you want from the system. The OE speakers are 15 years old now and were designed down to a price, so replacing them with something aftermarket from a decent brand will be an improvement. That part is a no-brainer irrespective of your budget.

But from there it depends. You talk about a "budget" system. To my mind that means buying a decent head unit (including perhaps units that are being sold at knock-down prices as they are about to be replaced) combined with some good quality drop-in co-axial speakers. That's what I did, and it works well. The bass isn't going to win a sound-off, but the sound is vastly better than the stock setup. And gives a big step-up with little expenditure.

If you are going more elaborate than that, you start moving out of the budget realm. This is because you move into component speakers which are usually more pricey than coax - but are supposed to give a better result, meaning finding somewhere to site the tweeters, perhaps enlarging the speaker holes in the doors, looking at separate amps etc. If you are going to do this, then for all the hassle you might as well spend a bit more and get good stuff in there. If on a budget I would put the money into the quality of the pieces rather than the headline spec - I had a Denon stereo in my living room years ago which was rated at 45w RMS, and it kicked the pants off shiny bling stereos with lots of flashing lights that supposedly were rated at 200w.

If you are going the component + separate amp route, I would design the whole thing as a system to work well together. No point in a separate amp if the speakers are not really up to it etc.

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All I've done so far is to put vgc Ph.2 speakers in as the old ones were literally crumbling to pieces, and put the alpine HU in the OP in which I got second-hand for relatively cheap.

I've decided to wait until I start my new job later in the year before I consider audio upgrades, as then I'll be able to spend some reasonable money on some mid-range kit.

Thank you for the advice.
Do you know much about the in-line amps that alpine sell?

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Posted 20th Apr 2014 at 09:37
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No I don't sorry, but Alpine has a good reputation.

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Posted 7th May 2014 at 08:26
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Owains track car audio set up is the ultimate in budget audio set up. I think he only allocated £0.00 to throw at the project
Posted 8th May 2014 at 08:36
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Posted 8th May 2014 at 09:33
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mik wrote:
No I don't sorry, but Alpine has a good reputation.

Yeah they do. A friend uses one in his 182. They are relatively inexpensive when they do occasionally come up for sale 2nd hand and they don't weigh much either.

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Posted 8th May 2014 at 10:27
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Bit of a revival as my insurance renewal is in November and I'm about to earn good money starting Monday.

I have been using the HU since I fitted it in January and there was a decent difference in sound quality. I have been thinking about getting components such as the ones listed in the OP, and have decided that a proper amp rather than an in-line one would be acceptable and probably better for less money.
I have been looking at alpine amps that have been going cheap on ebay etc. but unfortunately I really have very little idea what I'm looking at. I know that mono-amps are for subs/bass but that's about it.

If I had an amp and components up front, the sound quality would be pretty decent even though they are budget alpines, and in any case there's a fair bit of road noise in the ph.1 compared to the ph.2 anyway. However, I think it will still be a bit tinny and lacking low down.

I don't want a big sub enclosure in the boot, and I don't want to shake the car with bass etc. etc. I just want to have decent sound reproduction across all ranges, but I have no idea how to achieve this on a budget. I have seen under-seat subs, and shallow-mount subs, but don't know if I'd need a separate amp or whether I could get an amp that would power both.

Is it possible to mount speakers that play low-ranges in the parcel shelf? Alpine shallow-mount subs are very expensive but are there alternatives?

Are there alternative brands that make good, budget amplifiers or decent amps that would be affordable 2nd hand?

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Posted 28th Aug 2014 at 14:02
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I think that's the Alpin head unit I have. Can't work it so I end up having to listen to all sorts of crap.

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  • Posted 28th Aug 2014 at 14:17
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    if you're about to start earning good money then i would do what any 306 owner would do. put a £20k boot install in

    dangti6 wrote:
    I think that's the Alpin head unit I have. Can't work it so I end up having to listen to all sorts of crap.


    dangti6 tries to play tapes in his usb slot, that's why he struggles with his

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    Posted 28th Aug 2014 at 14:19
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    Luke, link me to the correct lightning lead I should purchase for that please. I have an old school ipod lead thing. Bought an adapter but it won't go in my iPhone with the case on. Ta.

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  • Posted 28th Aug 2014 at 14:28
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    Mine came with the ipod lightning lead already, as the previous owner had purchased one, as well as the "slow" ipod cable. I can have a look on it to see if it has any numbers or markings though. I have one of the early ipod touches.

    I usually just use the USB lead though and play music from a USB stick. I have been meaning to organise this into folders for playlists but haven't bothered yet!

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