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lotek

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Post #51
prism7guy wrote:
Sorry for going a little off topic but would you rate CL RC6's as better than DS2500's?
I'll be needing a set of pads for my track car and im really impressed with my DS2500's, just wondered if its worth the extra £50 odd for RC6's?


you found DS2500 impressive????? Huh?

youl prematurely ejaculate with the RC6 then Laugh my ass off
Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 00:19
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Post #52
prism7guy wrote:
Sorry for going a little off topic but would you rate CL RC6's as better than DS2500's?
I'll be needing a set of pads for my track car and im really impressed with my DS2500's, just wondered if its worth the extra £50 odd for RC6's?


I would say an RC6 is a race car only pad, way too aggressive on discs to be a viable everyday pad. I ran DS2500 on road and track and found them to be an excellent all round performer. You don't want to be washing your wheels after every trip out to avoid pitting them with iron filings.

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Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 00:23
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Post #53
there going on a track car so wouldnr be too much of a problem for him.

the performance difference is deffo woth the 40 quid diff.
i want some for my mondeo LOL
Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 00:26
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Post #54
Cheers for the input, it will be on my track car so it will only be used to get to and from tracks and actually on the tracks.

I think the DS2500's are pretty good to be fair to them, they lasted 20 mins at oulton in november before i had issues, and they stop the car great just daily driving from cold etc.

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Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 00:50
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Post #55
That rallye looks the nuts on them wellers.

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Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 01:09
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Post #56
If you run a dedicated track car and even consider DS2500's or DS3000's over CL RC6's because of the murderous brake dust you are GAY.

Full stop! No questions - A raving homo with a cherry on top!

Just fyi Whistle

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Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 01:49
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Post #57
do they do them for wilwoods Hmm

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Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 02:19
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Post #58
jimmy_boy wrote:
If you run a dedicated track car and even consider DS2500's or DS3000's over CL RC6's because of the murderous brake dust you are GAY.

Full stop! No questions - A raving homo with a cherry on top!

Just fyi Whistle

Ha ha Totally agree Jim!!LOL

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Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 02:21
Denis

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Post #59
I used DS2500 at the very beginning as an upgrade to standard pads. With the pads that I been using recently I have no overheating problems.

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Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 04:37
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Post #60
So far with standard brake callipers I used:

OE spec pads: Lucas/Ferodo/Mintex/Bosch/Textar – out of the lot I would recommend Lucas.

Fast road pads:

Ferodo DS2500 – good upgrade, decent cold performance. On race circuit can overheat and coat discs in pad material – feels like warped discs.

Pagid RS4-2 Blue – probably the best road pad (that is what I currently use on my GTi6): last for ages (30k road miles and 3 track days – still 50% left!), good bite from cold, not up to heavy track work – overheat and leave residue on discs.


With AP racing callipers ( CP3215D50 fitment ) I used:

Mintex 1155 – did not like them: poor release (difficult to drive in the wet), after a long session the pedal started to go down.

Mintex F6R – the best track pad that I used to date: feel exactly what the brakes are doing at any time, they do not like slow speed driving in town – chew through the discs.

Carbon Lorraine CL6 – very similar to F6R, even worse on the discs in normal driving.

With both F6 and CL6 – there was virtually no disc wear when used ONLY on race circuit.

Ferodo DS3000 – poor from cold, when hot similar to CL6/F6 but inconsistent in terms of feel.

Carbotech XP10 – have them on the car right now, very high initial bite, very high friction coefficient (can lock up on slicks in the dry) – more stopping power than CL6/F6, little dust, gentle on the discs but not convinced with the feel. Also they squeal in normal driving – bad enough to have to use handbrake around town to slowdown so that people would not turn around!

Going to be trying EBC NDX Bluestuff soon.

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Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 04:40
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Post #61
I ran XP8's on my Rallye years ago and loved them! No issues with squealing either.

They did however squeal on my Elise...

Good project, might get another one day.

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Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 04:46
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Post #62
welshpug! wrote:
What kind of power/torque do you think its running? Hmm


From the most accurate rolling road known to me:

193bhp (166bhp @ wheels) and 161LbFt



As a comparison, standard car is supposed to be 167bhp and 142FtLb.

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Posted 9th Mar 2020 at 20:48
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Post #63
scib4 wrote:
I ran XP8's on my Rallye years ago and loved them! No issues with squealing either.

They did however squeal on my Elise...

Good project, might get another one day.


It is combination of particular calliper / brake disc / installation that effects the noise Yes

The downside of Carbotech is price Sad

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Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 04:49
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Post #64
Thanks for your input on brake pads Denis Thumbs up

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Posted 9th Feb 2011 at 11:37
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Post #65
russian guy wrote:
coskev wrote:
Looks well on the SteelsCool

Are they the C5 Steel/alloy things?Smile


They are Wellers 15x7, look great but are very heavy (nearly 11kg each, for comparison OZ Ultralieggeras are 10.5kg with slicks fitted!), also do not provide adequate break cooling as not much air flow = melted DS2500 pads Wink


And they are now on my car Big grin

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Posted 11th Feb 2011 at 15:57
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Post #66
Nice power curve for the gearbox on the rallye for track work...

As ever the headline figures won't show just how good that would be on track. Sure they don't seem like much extra and i'm sure as a daily driver it'd make little difference, however when you are able to be 100% on it that will make a big difference. Thumbs up

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Posted 11th Feb 2011 at 16:34
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Post #67
russian guy wrote:

Going to be trying EBC NDX Bluestuff soon.


Just put a full set of the Evo, bedded in now so looking forward to abusing them.
Posted 12th Feb 2011 at 03:39
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Post #68
adam b wrote:
Nice power curve for the gearbox on the rallye for track work...

As ever the headline figures won't show just how good that would be on track. Sure they don't seem like much extra and i'm sure as a daily driver it'd make little difference, however when you are able to be 100% on it that will make a big difference. Thumbs up


As with most other things on my car – on its own it does not make much difference, but in combination with everything else – the whole package is excellent Cool

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Posted 13th Feb 2011 at 15:20
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Post #69
fletch wrote:
russian guy wrote:

Going to be trying EBC NDX Bluestuff soon.


Just put a full set of the Evo, bedded in now so looking forward to abusing them.


Will be very interesting to hear what you think about them Thumbs up

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Posted 13th Feb 2011 at 15:20
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Post #70
In the mean time, I’ve put a deposit on my new every car. It has 6 cylinder engine, rear wheel drive and 18” wheels as standard Shifty
So my GTi is going to be for sale soon.

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Posted 14th Feb 2011 at 02:50
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russian guy wrote:
In the mean time, I’ve put a deposit on my new every daily car. It has 6 cylinder engine, rear wheel drive and 18” wheels as standard Shifty
So my GTi is going to be for sale soon.


Do tell...

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Posted 13th Feb 2011 at 15:23
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Post #72
fletch wrote:
russian guy wrote:
In the mean time, I’ve put a deposit on my new every daily car. It has 6 cylinder engine, rear wheel drive and 18” wheels as standard Shifty
So my GTi is going to be for sale soon.


Do tell...

330i?

Ditto, come on Denis spill the beans...

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Posted 13th Feb 2011 at 18:25
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Great car Dennis, if I can get mine to half the car this is I'll be a happy man!

Sorry if its been asked before, but what is the advantage of fitting the mi16 clutch?

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Posted 13th Feb 2011 at 19:11
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Post #74
russian guy wrote:


Will be very interesting to hear what you think about them Thumbs up


Damn good road pad, probably good for some light track abuse, but I'm not sure they'd take long sessions without fading.

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Posted 13th Feb 2011 at 19:19
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Post #75
phillipm wrote:
russian guy wrote:


Will be very interesting to hear what you think about them Thumbs up


Damn good road pad, probably good for some light track abuse, but I'm not sure they'd take long sessions without fading.


The box says track and race use only but supposed to be excellent on the road too. Ill prob only get to use them on track once this year, but wont be for a while
Posted 13th Feb 2011 at 19:24

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