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rapidcossie

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Post #26
is there a detailed suspension spec of that car?

One of mates has a standard gti6 he uses for the track days we go toat knockhill and im sure he would love to see it
Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 03:07
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Post #27
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Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 03:45
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Post #28
Anyone got any spare KleenexDunno
I've run outBlush

Nice job MartinThumbs up

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Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 08:22
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Post #29
midlife wrote:
Anyone got any spare KleenexDunno
I've run outBlush

Nice job MartinThumbs up

Cool


LOL you do love your shiney bits dont you
Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 13:29
crf450

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Post #30
welshpug! wrote:
cams but not mapped or dialled in, to 175-180 bhp at the most, shows how much speed they can carry when setup well.

It wasnt mapped but cams were dialled in.

Rapicossie - For your mate,this was the spec as it was last time the can ran

Front Avo coilovers with 525lb springs
Front wishbones converted to roller brgs instead of bushes.
Adjustable top mounts running 4degrees of neg camber.(if you search my old post you'll see the ones I make which I've got fitted to my car.They also move the strut up through the inner wing allowing you to run the car lower without loosing travel.)
Polly bushed front ARB

Rear 3degrees of neg with std toe(we machine arms to give this camber)
30mm ARB
23mm Torsion bars
Bilstien tarmac dampers
Whole car is probably lowered more than 50mm.
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"You've only got to watch the "306 vs ringtaxi" video & you soon realise how good these mod's are! That guy is running Ash's 30mm ARB, Solid Mounts & 23mm Torsion Bars & some adjustments on the camber. Admittedly, the guy is an awesome driver, but it just go's to show how well these cars can handle with the right modification's
Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 14:23
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Post #31
SteviePut wrote:

How would that work Phil?Blink Would a, for arguments sake, 25mm hollow torsion bar be as stiff as a solid one of the same dimensions? Or would you have to go thicker still to get the same stiffness?


You'd have to go thicker still for the same stiffness.

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Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 16:41
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Post #32
phillipm wrote:
SteviePut wrote:

How would that work Phil?Blink Would a, for arguments sake, 25mm hollow torsion bar be as stiff as a solid one of the same dimensions? Or would you have to go thicker still to get the same stiffness?


You'd have to go thicker still for the same stiffness.


Would it therefore be as heavy then?

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Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 16:43
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Post #33
What is the benefit of raising the beam with shorter mounts?

Does that simply lower the COG without buggering up the suspension geometry?

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Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 16:48
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Post #34
Yes, also allows you to have decent suspension travel, whilst lowering the CoG

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Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 21:48
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Post #35
if the beam is anything to go by the full car should be awesome mate

could u machine back arms for my 205 to give some neg camber mate ?

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Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 22:17
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Post #36
rapidcossie wrote:
is there a detailed suspension spec of that car?

One of mates has a standard gti6 he uses for the track days we go toat knockhill and im sure he would love to see it




LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

that to match his ebay coilovers

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Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 22:18
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Post #37
soundsofsilence wrote:
rapidcossie wrote:
is there a detailed suspension spec of that car?

One of mates has a standard gti6 he uses for the track days we go toat knockhill and im sure he would love to see it




LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

that to match his ebay coilovers


i told him you said they were a no no
Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 23:31
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Post #38
SteviePut wrote:


Would it therefore be as heavy then?


Nah, because stiffness increases by a fourth power of the radius, whilst weight increases only by the radius squared.

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Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 00:03
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Post #39
phillipm wrote:
SteviePut wrote:


Would it therefore be as heavy then?


Nah, because stiffness increases by a fourth power of the radius, whilst weight increases only by the radius squared.


I was just about to write exactly what you just said Phil but I thought better of it because I think I speak for everyone in saying we all knew that anyway.LOL

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"You've only got to watch the "306 vs ringtaxi" video & you soon realise how good these mod's are! That guy is running Ash's 30mm ARB, Solid Mounts & 23mm Torsion Bars & some adjustments on the camber. Admittedly, the guy is an awesome driver, but it just go's to show how well these cars can handle with the right modification's
Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 00:16
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soundsofsilence wrote:
if the beam is anything to go by the full car should be awesome mate

could u machine back arms for my 205 to give some neg camber mate ?

Yep no probs,sound them down to me.

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"You've only got to watch the "306 vs ringtaxi" video & you soon realise how good these mod's are! That guy is running Ash's 30mm ARB, Solid Mounts & 23mm Torsion Bars & some adjustments on the camber. Admittedly, the guy is an awesome driver, but it just go's to show how well these cars can handle with the right modification's
Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 00:19
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Post #41
Looking good Martin. Are you wide-tracking the car, maxi type affair? Lookig forward to seeing it finished!

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Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 00:36
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Post #42
crf450 wrote:
phillipm wrote:
SteviePut wrote:


Would it therefore be as heavy then?


Nah, because stiffness increases by a fourth power of the radius, whilst weight increases only by the radius squared.


I was just about to write exactly what you just said Phil but I thought better of it because I think I speak for everyone in saying we all knew that anyway.LOL


Steve musta just been testing me Hmm LOL

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Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 00:42
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Post #43
pete_rallye wrote:
Looking good Martin. Are you wide-tracking the car, maxi type affair? Lookig forward to seeing it finished!


Ta Pete.Yep,the beam as it is with my ET0 wheels will give me Maxi track on the rear, I've had the wheels on the back this afternoon and it looks ace. I also think of found someone that can make me some alloy arches,I had bought some fibre glass 205 ones but I cant make them fit and they aren't wide enough anyway.

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"You've only got to watch the "306 vs ringtaxi" video & you soon realise how good these mod's are! That guy is running Ash's 30mm ARB, Solid Mounts & 23mm Torsion Bars & some adjustments on the camber. Admittedly, the guy is an awesome driver, but it just go's to show how well these cars can handle with the right modification's
Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 00:58
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Post #44
Looks a good setup there!

How much of a noticeable difference did the neg camber on the rear give to the handling?
Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 01:00
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adam b wrote:
Yes, also allows you to have decent suspension travel, whilst lowering the CoG


hmmm, group buy? Big grin

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Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 01:12
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Be having a batch of pads made in ~6 weeks if you want some Martin.

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Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 05:36
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Post #47
phillipm wrote:
crf450 wrote:
phillipm wrote:
SteviePut wrote:


Would it therefore be as heavy then?


Nah, because stiffness increases by a fourth power of the radius, whilst weight increases only by the radius squared.


I was just about to write exactly what you just said Phil but I thought better of it because I think I speak for everyone in saying we all knew that anyway.LOL


Steve must be just been testing me really thick Hmm LOL


Yes

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Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 05:56
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Post #48
crf450 wrote:
phillipm wrote:
SteviePut wrote:


Would it therefore be as heavy then?


Nah, because stiffness increases by a fourth power of the radius, whilst weight increases only by the radius squared.


I was just about to write exactly what you just said Phil but I thought better of it because I think I speak for everyone in saying we all knew that anyway.LOL


Yeah, was on the tip of my tongue Dry LOL

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Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 05:55
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Post #49
Sounds like its going to be immense! Look forward to seeing it passing the ex-time attack cars! Cool

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Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 15:03
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Post #50
So is the 13b Mazda engine considered fairly reliable then? Interesting choice of engine, was it due to the size or something like that?

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Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 15:34

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