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is there a detailed suspension spec of that car?One of mates has a standard gti6 he uses for the track days we go toat knockhill and im sure he would love to see it
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 rapidcossie
Regular  Location: falkirk Registered: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 332 Status: Offline |
One of mates has a standard gti6 he uses for the track days we go toat knockhill and im sure he would love to see it |
 Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 03:07
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hovis16
Seasoned Pro  Location: Reading/parts for sale Registered: 21 Nov 2008 Posts: 4,297 Status: Offline |
Post #27
ti torsion bars  ti arb ________________________________________ Ph2 Black GTI 6!EX black 6 owner But now a Black caged rallye owner Hunting for Go faster bits! SEARCH click here |
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Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 03:45
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midlife
Seasoned Pro  Location: Colne, Lancashire Registered: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 7,544 Status: Offline |
Post #28
Anyone got any spare Kleenex I've run out  Nice job Martin   ________________________________________ Get used to seeing the yellow one !!! Team 330™ Team "no front end or engine" Team "LIMITED EDITION" I live for the 306 sticker  Team 0-60 in 6.44 & standing qtr in 14.808 @ 94.55mph all with std engine 203bhp Corolla T-Sport daily driver stealthier than Kwai Chang Caine |
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Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 08:22
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chris with a pug
Seasoned Pro  Location: Southampton Registered: 16 Feb 2003 Posts: 5,366 Status: Offline |
Post #29
midlife wrote: Anyone got any spare Kleenex I've run out Nice job Martin  you do love your shiney bits dont you |
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Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 13:29
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crf450
Senior User Location: belper Registered: 23 Mar 2005 Posts: 502 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: cams but not mapped or dialled in, to 175-180 bhp at the most, shows how much speed they can carry when setup well. It wasnt mapped but cams were dialled in. Rapicossie - For your mate,this was the spec as it was last time the can ran Front Avo coilovers with 525lb springs Front wishbones converted to roller brgs instead of bushes. Adjustable top mounts running 4degrees of neg camber.(if you search my old post you'll see the ones I make which I've got fitted to my car.They also move the strut up through the inner wing allowing you to run the car lower without loosing travel.) Polly bushed front ARB Rear 3degrees of neg with std toe(we machine arms to give this camber) 30mm ARB 23mm Torsion bars Bilstien tarmac dampers Whole car is probably lowered more than 50mm. cheers martin ________________________________________ Quote "da g man!" "You've only got to watch the "306 vs ringtaxi" video & you soon realise how good these mod's are! That guy is running Ash's 30mm ARB, Solid Mounts & 23mm Torsion Bars & some adjustments on the camber. Admittedly, the guy is an awesome driver, but it just go's to show how well these cars can handle with the right modification's |
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Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 14:23
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #31
SteviePut wrote: How would that work Phil?  Would a, for arguments sake, 25mm hollow torsion bar be as stiff as a solid one of the same dimensions? Or would you have to go thicker still to get the same stiffness? You'd have to go thicker still for the same stiffness. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 16:41
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SteviePut
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phillipm wrote: SteviePut wrote: How would that work Phil? Would a, for arguments sake, 25mm hollow torsion bar be as stiff as a solid one of the same dimensions? Or would you have to go thicker still to get the same stiffness? You'd have to go thicker still for the same stiffness. Would it therefore be as heavy then? ________________________________________ My old man wrote me a letter from prison once. It said if you don't want to end up in here, stay away from crime, women and drugs. Trouble is, that don't leave you much else to do, does it? |
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Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 16:43
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clen666
Seasoned Pro  Location: Co. Durham Registered: 12 Feb 2009 Posts: 2,401 Status: Offline |
Post #33
What is the benefit of raising the beam with shorter mounts?Does that simply lower the COG without buggering up the suspension geometry? ________________________________________ Team 'unintentional rat look' |
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Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 16:48
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adam b
Seasoned Pro  Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #34
Yes, also allows you to have decent suspension travel, whilst lowering the CoG________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 21:48
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sosmotorsport
Regular Location: falkirk Registered: 24 Jun 2009 Posts: 339 Status: Offline |
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if the beam is anything to go by the full car should be awesome matecould u machine back arms for my 205 to give some neg camber mate ? ________________________________________ SOS Motorsportwww.sosmotorsport.co.uk 450bhp 205 16v Turbo www.facebook.com/pages/SOS-Motorsport/159917677353556 |
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Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 22:17
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sosmotorsport
Regular Location: falkirk Registered: 24 Jun 2009 Posts: 339 Status: Offline |
Post #36
rapidcossie wrote: is there a detailed suspension spec of that car? One of mates has a standard gti6 he uses for the track days we go toat knockhill and im sure he would love to see it that to match his ebay coilovers ________________________________________ SOS Motorsportwww.sosmotorsport.co.uk 450bhp 205 16v Turbo www.facebook.com/pages/SOS-Motorsport/159917677353556 |
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Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 22:18
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rapidcossie
Regular Location: falkirk Registered: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 332 Status: Offline |
Post #37
soundsofsilence wrote: rapidcossie wrote: is there a detailed suspension spec of that car? One of mates has a standard gti6 he uses for the track days we go toat knockhill and im sure he would love to see it that to match his ebay coilovers i told him you said they were a no no |
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Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 23:31
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #38
SteviePut wrote: Would it therefore be as heavy then? Nah, because stiffness increases by a fourth power of the radius, whilst weight increases only by the radius squared. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 00:03
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crf450
Senior User Location: belper Registered: 23 Mar 2005 Posts: 502 Status: Offline |
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phillipm wrote: SteviePut wrote: Would it therefore be as heavy then? Nah, because stiffness increases by a fourth power of the radius, whilst weight increases only by the radius squared. I was just about to write exactly what you just said Phil but I thought better of it because I think I speak for everyone in saying we all knew that anyway. ________________________________________ Quote "da g man!" "You've only got to watch the "306 vs ringtaxi" video & you soon realise how good these mod's are! That guy is running Ash's 30mm ARB, Solid Mounts & 23mm Torsion Bars & some adjustments on the camber. Admittedly, the guy is an awesome driver, but it just go's to show how well these cars can handle with the right modification's |
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Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 00:16
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crf450
Senior User Location: belper Registered: 23 Mar 2005 Posts: 502 Status: Offline |
Post #40
soundsofsilence wrote: if the beam is anything to go by the full car should be awesome mate could u machine back arms for my 205 to give some neg camber mate ? Yep no probs,sound them down to me. ________________________________________ Quote "da g man!" "You've only got to watch the "306 vs ringtaxi" video & you soon realise how good these mod's are! That guy is running Ash's 30mm ARB, Solid Mounts & 23mm Torsion Bars & some adjustments on the camber. Admittedly, the guy is an awesome driver, but it just go's to show how well these cars can handle with the right modification's |
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Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 00:19
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro  Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #41
Looking good Martin. Are you wide-tracking the car, maxi type affair? Lookig forward to seeing it finished!________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 00:36
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #42
crf450 wrote: phillipm wrote: SteviePut wrote: Would it therefore be as heavy then? Nah, because stiffness increases by a fourth power of the radius, whilst weight increases only by the radius squared. I was just about to write exactly what you just said Phil but I thought better of it because I think I speak for everyone in saying we all knew that anyway. Steve musta just been testing me  ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 00:42
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crf450
Senior User Location: belper Registered: 23 Mar 2005 Posts: 502 Status: Offline |
Post #43
pete_rallye wrote: Looking good Martin. Are you wide-tracking the car, maxi type affair? Lookig forward to seeing it finished! Ta Pete.Yep,the beam as it is with my ET0 wheels will give me Maxi track on the rear, I've had the wheels on the back this afternoon and it looks ace. I also think of found someone that can make me some alloy arches,I had bought some fibre glass 205 ones but I cant make them fit and they aren't wide enough anyway. ________________________________________ Quote "da g man!" "You've only got to watch the "306 vs ringtaxi" video & you soon realise how good these mod's are! That guy is running Ash's 30mm ARB, Solid Mounts & 23mm Torsion Bars & some adjustments on the camber. Admittedly, the guy is an awesome driver, but it just go's to show how well these cars can handle with the right modification's |
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Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 00:58
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devere
Senior User  Location: Saxtead Registered: 16 Dec 2008 Posts: 810 Status: Offline |
Post #44
Looks a good setup there!How much of a noticeable difference did the neg camber on the rear give to the handling? |
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Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 01:00
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clen666
Seasoned Pro Location: Co. Durham Registered: 12 Feb 2009 Posts: 2,401 Status: Offline |
Post #45
adam b wrote: Yes, also allows you to have decent suspension travel, whilst lowering the CoG hmmm, group buy?  ________________________________________ Team 'unintentional rat look' |
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Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 01:12
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #46
Be having a batch of pads made in ~6 weeks if you want some Martin.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 05:36
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SteviePut
Seasoned Pro Location: Down south Registered: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 13,637 Status: Offline |
Post #47
phillipm wrote: crf450 wrote: phillipm wrote: SteviePut wrote: Would it therefore be as heavy then? Nah, because stiffness increases by a fourth power of the radius, whilst weight increases only by the radius squared. I was just about to write exactly what you just said Phil but I thought better of it because I think I speak for everyone in saying we all knew that anyway. Steve must be  ________________________________________ My old man wrote me a letter from prison once. It said if you don't want to end up in here, stay away from crime, women and drugs. Trouble is, that don't leave you much else to do, does it? |
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Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 05:56
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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crf450 wrote: phillipm wrote: SteviePut wrote: Would it therefore be as heavy then? Nah, because stiffness increases by a fourth power of the radius, whilst weight increases only by the radius squared. I was just about to write exactly what you just said Phil but I thought better of it because I think I speak for everyone in saying we all knew that anyway. Yeah, was on the tip of my tongue  ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 05:55
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dhampton
Seasoned Pro  Location: Brighton Registered: 21 May 2003 Posts: 7,211 Status: Offline |
Post #49
Sounds like its going to be immense! Look forward to seeing it passing the ex-time attack cars! ________________________________________ Clio 182 FF |
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Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 15:03
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro  Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
Post #50
So is the 13b Mazda engine considered fairly reliable then? Interesting choice of engine, was it due to the size or something like that?________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 15:34
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