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 Carl Chambers
Seasoned Pro  Location: suffolk/norfolk Registered: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,897 Status: Offline |
Post #101
daveyboy wrote: What are you going to have done? main thing is to find out why its smoking, and rebuild as required. ________________________________________ Carl Chambersemail; pugnacious.peugeot@yahoo.co.uk . C.M.CHAMBERS CARS Peugeot Specialist Tel; 01379 586101 after 6.30 or 07889 082466 anytime. pugsport-racing.co.uk |
 Posted 30th Aug 2012 at 22:43
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro  Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #102
I'd put aside a couple of grand. You'll know the cost of consumables, gaskets, cambelt kit, rings etc, then I think Phil charges £35/hour labour. Then if its just f**ked rings or stem seals it shouldn't be too much but if you've melted a piston or something you can add on another £500 for pistons, then machining costs etc. I paid him £2300 approx to repair and rebuild my engine... ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 30th Aug 2012 at 22:50
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roberts_306
Senior User  Location: Halesowen Registered: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 789 Status: Offline |
Post #103
That answers your question Carl get it done by him and be safe. ________________________________________ www.pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 31st Aug 2012 at 08:14
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Carl Chambers
Seasoned Pro Location: suffolk/norfolk Registered: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,897 Status: Offline |
Post #104
Think so.Pete can I ask why that engine failed if you say it wasnt his fault? ________________________________________ Carl Chambersemail; pugnacious.peugeot@yahoo.co.uk . C.M.CHAMBERS CARS Peugeot Specialist Tel; 01379 586101 after 6.30 or 07889 082466 anytime. pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 31st Aug 2012 at 20:24
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #105
Hmmm, touchy subject, but basically the engine was mapped by another company, who adjusted the cam timing, which I believe caused the valves to touch as all 12 remaining valves had identical and consistent damage where they had all been touching each other. Long story short, engine builder made his excuses, I took the company to court, but failed to prove to a judge who knew nothing about engines that this was the only possible cause and so I lost the case. For reasons of libel/slander etc it's probably best I don't mention the company but Phil knows who they are and I would suggest you stay well clear if you need the engine mapping after it's rebuilt... The map Wayne Schofield did for me was miles better anyway to be honest. ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 31st Aug 2012 at 21:45
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #106
They adjusted the cam timing without consulting you to see if there was any clearance for such an adjustment? That's very bad practice, have they been going s long time or are they inexperidnced?________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 1st Sep 2012 at 11:21
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Carl Chambers
Seasoned Pro Location: suffolk/norfolk Registered: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,897 Status: Offline |
Post #107
Well the season has ended and its amazing how quick its gone by! Seems like only yesterday I was sitting on the grid cr@pping myself at my first race!Its been a great year, not too much damage with is good! The car never missed a beat at all and has been amazing! see all our results and pictures here; http://www.pugsport-racing.co.uk/raceresults.html here are a couple of videos for you; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dttvW9DVXV8&feature=youtube_gdata_player https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffLfHf5q3qQ ________________________________________ Carl Chambersemail; pugnacious.peugeot@yahoo.co.uk . C.M.CHAMBERS CARS Peugeot Specialist Tel; 01379 586101 after 6.30 or 07889 082466 anytime. pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 25th Oct 2012 at 22:11
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Carl Chambers
Seasoned Pro Location: suffolk/norfolk Registered: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,897 Status: Offline |
Post #108
List of resultsSnetterton; Qualified 13th out of 23 cars Finished 11th out of 19 cars please for my first race ever Brands Hatch; Qualified 16th out of 29 cars Finished 13th out of 23 cars Never been on track here before so pleased with results, could have been better but got held in pits after pitting under safety car, should have gone in earlier! Silverstone; Qualified 14th out of 26 cars Finished 11th out of 22 cars Please to have had a good battle with the car in front and only just missed out on getting in the top ten. Castle Combe; Qualified 15th out of 29 cars Finished 11th out of 28 cars Only ever done a 20mins track sestion here before many years ago so pleased with result. Castle Combe (sports v saloons) Qualified 13th out of 35 cars Finished 11th out of 25 cars again just out the top ten but still a great result Mallory Park; Qualified 12th out of 26 cars Finished 7th out of 21 cars at last finished inside the top ten, and had a great battle with a 206 RC (GTi 180) which we beat in the end! Donington Qualified 15th out of 39 cars Finished 17th out of 28 cars very disappointed with this result as again got held up in the pits after pitting under the safety car, so lost a lap! could have been so much better, learnt not to pit under the safety car ever again! Oulton Park Qualified 25th out of 31 cars Finished 14th out of 24 cars Qualifying was damp/wet, never been to this track before and went out on the wrong tyres! Happy to have got back to 14th after a Great race with Mike Nash in his 106 Rallye with him getting the better of me in the end but it is his home circuit  ________________________________________ Carl Chambersemail; pugnacious.peugeot@yahoo.co.uk . C.M.CHAMBERS CARS Peugeot Specialist Tel; 01379 586101 after 6.30 or 07889 082466 anytime. pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 25th Oct 2012 at 22:46
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #109
Sounds like fun! All been well I'll be out next year. Although I've heard rumours that a french car race series could be on the cards...?! That sounds awesome! ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 25th Oct 2012 at 22:53
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Carl Chambers
Seasoned Pro Location: suffolk/norfolk Registered: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,897 Status: Offline |
Post #110
pete_rallye wrote: Sounds like fun! All been well I'll be out next year. Although I've heard rumours that a french car race series could be on the cards...?! That sounds awesome! yeah its been great, next year the big ones coming out! would be good to see another 306 out there, we need more pugs to help fight the mass of clios that are racing! even though yours is the same colour as mine, might have to get the dulux out over night!  yes the french car race series sounds good if it does happen! ________________________________________ Carl Chambersemail; pugnacious.peugeot@yahoo.co.uk . C.M.CHAMBERS CARS Peugeot Specialist Tel; 01379 586101 after 6.30 or 07889 082466 anytime. pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 25th Oct 2012 at 23:04
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Carl Chambers
Seasoned Pro Location: suffolk/norfolk Registered: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,897 Status: Offline |
Post #111
Next year I will be running my 306 BTCC car in the series which will hopefully will be up the front end of the grid, but to help with the running of this car we will be looking for sponsers, anything anyone knows or anybody that would be interested then please let us know.Not looking at anything major just something towards running the car. ________________________________________ Carl Chambersemail; pugnacious.peugeot@yahoo.co.uk . C.M.CHAMBERS CARS Peugeot Specialist Tel; 01379 586101 after 6.30 or 07889 082466 anytime. pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 4th Nov 2012 at 10:01
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demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro  Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #112
I'm definitely going to pop down when you're at Brands.I would say you might be joined by a red Rallye in the series at some point but we've got a long way to go first!  ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 11:57
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #113
how are you getting on with the engine?________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 12:39
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Carl Chambers
Seasoned Pro Location: suffolk/norfolk Registered: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,897 Status: Offline |
Post #114
demondriverdan wrote: I'm definitely going to pop down when you're at Brands. I would say you might be joined by a red Rallye in the series at some point but we've got a long way to go first! as soon as I get next years dates I will post them up. would good to see another peugeot out there, so many clios are coming in we are getting out numbered! welshpug! wrote: how are you getting on with the engine? its in bits waiting for new pistons ________________________________________ Carl Chambersemail; pugnacious.peugeot@yahoo.co.uk . C.M.CHAMBERS CARS Peugeot Specialist Tel; 01379 586101 after 6.30 or 07889 082466 anytime. pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 20:39
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #115
doh! They heavily pitted by any chance? Thats why mine were replaced. Dunno why mine were like that, looked like some detonation going on. What are you replacing them with? I bought Omegas last piston a bit back but special tuning might still have some, or Mr. Longman. ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 20:49
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Carl Chambers
Seasoned Pro Location: suffolk/norfolk Registered: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,897 Status: Offline |
Post #116
no too much piston slap and gudgen pins worn, bores badly worn!so having a very slight re-bore, and new pistons made by CP which will be an exact copy of the ones I have just slighly bigger with rings that are readily available. mine has the 406 coupe btcc bottom end so really fancy pistons ec and really hard to get and expensive! ________________________________________ Carl Chambersemail; pugnacious.peugeot@yahoo.co.uk . C.M.CHAMBERS CARS Peugeot Specialist Tel; 01379 586101 after 6.30 or 07889 082466 anytime. pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 21:22
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #117
Ah yeah, forgot you had a different bottom end. Custom made pistons? Mmmmmmmmm, that'll be cheap! Are the pistons ok then? Could you not use a new block instead? Oversize pistons will put you above 1998cc, and therefore ineligible for the tintops...! I have my excuses ready already y'see! ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 21:26
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Carl Chambers
Seasoned Pro Location: suffolk/norfolk Registered: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,897 Status: Offline |
Post #118
pete_rallye wrote: Ah yeah, forgot you had a different bottom end. Custom made pistons? Mmmmmmmmm, that'll be cheap! Are the pistons ok then? Could you not use a new block instead? Oversize pistons will put you above 1998cc, and therefore ineligible for the tintops...! I have my excuses ready already y'see! re-bore is allowed pistons themselves are ok, but its getting the pins and rings and bores worn in the middles. could use a new block, maybe do that, still deciding? ________________________________________ Carl Chambersemail; pugnacious.peugeot@yahoo.co.uk . C.M.CHAMBERS CARS Peugeot Specialist Tel; 01379 586101 after 6.30 or 07889 082466 anytime. pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 21:30
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #119
Afaik they allow 1st overbore do they not?.5mm overbore takes them to 2021cc. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 21:34
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #120
I was only kidding, would be silly not to allow a couple of overbores. Is Phil rebuilding it for you? I'm sure you'd be able to get rings to suit and gudgeon pins can soon be made up, gotta be cheaper than custom pistons! I'd be interested to see the 406 btcc pistons if you have any pics! ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 21:38
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Carl Chambers
Seasoned Pro Location: suffolk/norfolk Registered: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,897 Status: Offline |
Post #121
welshpug! wrote: Afaik they allow 1st overbore do they not? .5mm overbore takes them to 2021cc. yeah 1 overbore is allowed pete_rallye wrote: I was only kidding, would be silly not to allow a couple of overbores. Is Phil rebuilding it for you? I'm sure you'd be able to get rings to suit and gudgeon pins can soon be made up, gotta be cheaper than custom pistons! I'd be interested to see the 406 btcc pistons if you have any pics! A local race engine builder has it, and they said it was the best way to go. Pistons that were in it had no marking or makers name on them. as you know nothing will be cheap which ever way I go, at least this way I know what I have if I need anymore. not had a confirmed price yet, but prices from Phil and Longman were crazy so this way will be cheaper by far. ________________________________________ Carl Chambersemail; pugnacious.peugeot@yahoo.co.uk . C.M.CHAMBERS CARS Peugeot Specialist Tel; 01379 586101 after 6.30 or 07889 082466 anytime. pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 22:26
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #122
Between 6 and 700 would be decent ballpark figure I believe, decent reliable ones don't come cheap :/ Similar ballpark for rods.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 22:38
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #123
What sort of prices did you get from Phil and Longman? Was that just a price to rebuild your engine without knowing what was up with it? I was just going to use Wossner 86.5mm pistons when I re-re-rebuild mine. ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 22:51
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #124
wossner? yuk, have a word with Sandy ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 22:53
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #125
Sandy doesn't like me  ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 8th Nov 2012 at 23:08
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