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pete_rallye

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Post #76
I've not heard good things about Drenth boxes, Julian Long had one in his and i believe he had a few issues with it, not sure what they were though, you can bet its not going to be cheap to fix though! Have you any pictures of the box internals?

I'd be surprised if he replaced an entire bottom end, although I guess it depends on what he means by 'blown'... usually new pistons and block are required as my crank and rods have survived each of my engine failures...

I'm not sure what the differences would be between the 406 and 306 bottom ends, I've heard rumours of 40mm big ends, as opposed to 45mm big ends that I have, and I would guess at lighter piston designs as the ones in mine are fairly standard looking Omega ones, certainly not out and out race pistons!

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Posted 22nd Aug 2012 at 22:22
Carl Chambers

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Post #77
Yeah Jerry who bought Julians car has the Drench box and that also broke the selectors!

Speak to Matt who owned my car and yes the bottom end was repaced after oil pump failure at Brands and as it was beyond repair, he got a 406 coupe btcc bottom end via Mick Linford as they know each other well and Longmans built the engine up with the 306 head, pistons are the main difference from what he says, as the 306 ones had to be production size due to being the production class!

He says its best to send it back to Longmans to build up!?

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Posted 23rd Aug 2012 at 22:28
pete_rallye

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Post #78
Just as I thought for the bottom ends then!

I'm not sure Richard is still trading, but Brett Simms is an ex Longmans employee who now has gone on his own... http://www.brettsimsmotorsport.co.uk/

I guess it depends how confident you are at doing the job yourself. Personally I'd get stuck in and if you get really stuck then consult someone, but my guess is, as long as the engine is in reasonable condition, new rings, bearings, valve stem oil seals etc, and then just check everything else thoroughly. Would be good to get the timing figures for the cams also before you dismantle it!

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Posted 23rd Aug 2012 at 22:42
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Post #79


406 ST engine LOL

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Posted 24th Aug 2012 at 18:01
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Post #80
Had my best result of the year so far at Mallory and finished 7th overall! Remember that this is still using a almost standard 306 Rallye with 178bhp and all the cars in front had 200+bhp (2 ex btcc 306 amongst them!) as do many of the cars behind!

Had a race long battle with a 210bhp throttle bodied 206 RC (GTi-180) and had a minor coming together at the hairpin giving me another dented wing! I was then just in front of the 206 with him having the legs on me down the straights but I was hugging the inside line and was faster in the corners (with standard 306 rear shocks still!). Sadly our battle was ended after a back maker Fiesta failed to see the 206 after we past him, taking the 206 out big time. this gave me a breather to stroll home in 7th!

all the results are here

http://www.pugsport-racing.co.uk/mallorypark12.html

and pictures here,

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best of all is that now I have completed 6 races this year I can now remove my racing "L" plate and take off my novice cross from the rear of the car!

next round is 15th September at Donnington

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Posted 28th Aug 2012 at 21:57
pete_rallye

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Post #81
Well done, that's a good result for a fairly standard 306, shows what a good chassis they are against the modern stuff with more power. 3.5 seconds down on the leader though, shows how improved the btcc 306s are!

What happened to the Hampshire/Cox 306?

I need an engine, can't wait to get out racing!

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Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1
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Lap of the 'ring
Posted 29th Aug 2012 at 07:35
Carl Chambers

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Post #82
Yeah thanks for pointing that out, 3.5 secs over a 1.3mile track is alot so shows how much better the btcc one is!

The Hampshire 306 broke the gear lever pivot on the subframe!

The Tongue 306 got a minute penalty for overtaking under a yellow flag!

Will be taking my 306 btcc engine out this week and getting it done asap as now really want to see how far I can get!

do you think you will be out this year or next? only 2 rounds left?!

so your just going to fit a standard engine?

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Posted 29th Aug 2012 at 08:35
pete_rallye

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Post #83
Definitely not this year, hopefully next year though, likely to be a steel bottom end with a fairly standard head on it, probably just some cams or something, unless I find lots of money in which case I'll get a proper head done too...

These btcc 306's seem a bit temperamental under race conditions mind! Seems they only finish every other race...!

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Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1
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Posted 29th Aug 2012 at 12:54
Carl Chambers

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Post #84
Yeah that seems to be the worrying thing! they seem to win or break!

Do you know a guy called Phil Davidson? hes suppose to be good with Peugeot engines and longmans ones?

He does the engine in the cox/hampshire car?

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Posted 29th Aug 2012 at 22:57
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Post #85
Random question, what sort of suspension setup are you running on the Rallye? I'm investigating for the my track - race car so thought it was worth asking Smile

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Posted 29th Aug 2012 at 23:01
Carl Chambers

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Post #86
demondriverdan wrote:
Random question, what sort of suspension setup are you running on the Rallye? I'm investigating for the my track - race car so thought it was worth asking Smile


Nothing special, as said the rera is totally standard with standard shocks and mounts etc, just lowered, front is a set of Gaz coilover from a 205 GTi, with rose jointed ball joint to get neg camber and compbrake strut tops to do the same.

havent spend much on the Rallye as just wanted to go racing in something simple and basic at first and want to save enough money to be able to go out in the btcc one!

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Posted 29th Aug 2012 at 23:09
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Post #87
carl, whats the limitations on your engine for your group?

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Posted 30th Aug 2012 at 07:35
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Post #88
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carl, whats the limitations on your engine for your group?


nothing really, pretty much anything goes engine wise, just no turbos or superchargers allowed.

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Posted 30th Aug 2012 at 08:34
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Post #89
ok, cheers carl

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Posted 30th Aug 2012 at 09:03
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Post #90
Has to stick within the class engine capacities though, 1600-2000cc etc. so no 2.2 strokers etc.

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Posted 30th Aug 2012 at 09:13
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Post #91
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Has to stick within the class engine capacities though, 1600-2000cc etc. so no 2.2 strokers etc.


for the car specifically I take it you mean? so you could build a 2.2 EW engined 406 just fine as it came with a 3.0?

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Posted 30th Aug 2012 at 11:14
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Post #92
welshpug! wrote:
daveyboy wrote:
Has to stick within the class engine capacities though, 1600-2000cc etc. so no 2.2 strokers etc.


for the car specifically I take it you mean? so you could build a 2.2 EW engined 406 just fine as it came with a 3.0?


I think so, but you'd be in the 2000-3000cc category then, where a 2.2 would be hopelessly outgunned by a 3.0 in say a BMW.

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Posted 30th Aug 2012 at 13:56
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Post #93
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Do you know a guy called Phil Davidson? hes suppose to be good with Peugeot engines and longmans ones?

He does the engine in the cox/hampshire car?


Yeah, I know Phil, he rebuilt one of my engines for me. He was head of engine development at Peugeot during the group B years, or something like that, so he certainly knows he stuff. It was actually David Cox who put me on to him when I was having issues with other engine builders. The engine still blew up on first use but that was nothing to do with him.


The regs are basically no turbo's, no sequential boxes and a maximum capacity of 2000cc, no slicks, the car must keep the basic silhouette so no massive wings or extra wide wings but I think you are allowed grp/plastic panels. Ideal regulations for the btcc 306's really as the regs are almost production btcc regs!

I'm hoping they are a little bit leniant on the regs as its likely I'll be a touch over 2000cc if I have to move to 86.5mm pistons in my new engine.

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Posted 30th Aug 2012 at 16:56
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Post #94
How would they actually know if it's a 2000cc or a 2098cc with bigger pistons?

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Posted 30th Aug 2012 at 18:57
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Post #95
They won't unless they or one of your competitors reads this! Just don't mention it, regs that stipulate 2000cc are a joke, who wants to put new pistons in an old block? Nobody, so you rehire before fitting and gain a lousy 25ccs, if after a season or two you refresh the engine and go to the last overbore you gain another 25ccs, big deal right? So the only way to do it properly is to buy a new block (f**k that) or a low mileage used one and hone it, fit your expensive internals and hope it goes ok, again, not ideal. So why don't they go on capacity + the first overbore?

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Posted 30th Aug 2012 at 19:26
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Post #96
The only way they will know is if you are obviously out dragging them on the straights. Or if you're competitors are complete arses who decide they want your engine checking if the championship goes down to the wire. Even then though, I'd be asking for a rolling road 'shootout' to see how much more power you're 25cc has given you! In all honesty there are probably lots of people running slightly overbored engines to accomodate rebuilds (as opposed to stroker engines) and as long as you're not taking the p**s I wouldn't mind racing against soemone with 50cc more capacity than I had.

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Posted 30th Aug 2012 at 20:03
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Exactly, neither would I, the stupid thing is half the grid will have a rebored engine to accomodate forged pistons. Yet due to a silly ruling they are all forced to run illegally and risk a costly strip down ind a penalty if a competitor shops them.

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Posted 30th Aug 2012 at 20:19
Carl Chambers

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Post #98
Tin tops regs are here;

CSCC tin tops

nothing above 2000cc is allowed, nothing is said at all about slight overbores but to be honest dont think anyone would know or check unless you won all the time!

GRP panels are fine as many cars are running them.

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Posted 30th Aug 2012 at 21:10
Carl Chambers

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Post #99
pete_rallye wrote:
Carl Chambers wrote:


Do you know a guy called Phil Davidson? hes suppose to be good with Peugeot engines and longmans ones?

He does the engine in the cox/hampshire car?


Yeah, I know Phil, he rebuilt one of my engines for me. He was head of engine development at Peugeot during the group B years, or something like that, so he certainly knows he stuff. It was actually David Cox who put me on to him when I was having issues with other engine builders. The engine still blew up on first use but that was nothing to do with him.



Yeah its David who recommended him to me, so you would recommend me to send mine there rather than Longmans?

what sort of cost should I be looking at to give me an idea?

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Posted 30th Aug 2012 at 21:16
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What are you going to have done?

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Harness bars
Posted 30th Aug 2012 at 21:57

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