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 phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #76
It just seems silly to spend the money and not get out of it that you can, and at the same time, probably accelerate the wear/damage done to your engine.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
 Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:28
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chris with a pug
Seasoned Pro  Location: Southampton Registered: 16 Feb 2003 Posts: 5,366 Status: Offline |
Post #77
Pug heaven I would shut up to be honest mate, no offence by that. Its just Phillip kinda builds race cars for a living  Its is worth getting it remapped as you just wont get the benifits with out as the ECU does not map its self as some people are made to beleive. |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:28
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro  Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #78
so piper say doesnt need to be mapped you fit them and your engine f/*cks up, They are at fault and they payout? or maybe not? |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:29
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #79
It's a race part, they carry no liability for other parts of your engine of collateral damage due to fitting them, read your warranty.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:30
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chris with a pug
Seasoned Pro Location: Southampton Registered: 16 Feb 2003 Posts: 5,366 Status: Offline |
Post #80
pugheaven wrote: so piper say doesnt need to be mapped you fit them and your engine f/*cks up, They are at fault and they payout? or maybe not? 1 you would have to prove it which could be hard and 2 it wont f*ck the engine straight away if it ever would. but look at Jims thread, we think it failed because the car was running with a base map and so got bore wash and mixed with the oil. If your running rich on your cams at bottem end you will get the same affect. will take longer and if you change your oil regualr might not happen at all, but it can happen |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:32
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #81
pugheaven wrote: and piper and they say no ecu mods are req. Piper Cams wrote: High performance engines require adjustments to be made to the fueling and ignition to get the best from a performance camshaft. Many engines are now fitted with electronic controls, as even more performance is available if the microprocessor (chip) is also re-programmed, we recommend a new chip at the time of fitting. Piper now offer a range of cam kits which include a modified chip to increase engine performance. ... ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:38
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #82
I never said i know for certain im just saying what piper and cat cams say.i change my oil every 3k or before/ after a track day which isnt often. Phill if it did seem as i was arguin the case im sorry i was just asking. |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:39
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #83
chris with a pug wrote: but look at Jims thread, we think it failed because the car was running with a base map and so got bore wash and mixed with the oil. If your running rich on your cams at bottem end you will get the same affect. will take longer and if you change your oil regualr might not happen at all, but it can happen Exactly, it's not just going to go BANG, it'll just slowly drop in performance over time, more and more fuel will pass through into the oil, and more and more wear will occur on the bottom end... If you're spending the money on a cam, it's a false economy not to get it remapped at the same time. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:41
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #84
I did say "to get the best out of the cams" you will need it to be mapped |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:41
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #85
How many people have 270 cams with and with out ecu mapped?Just want to see no harm in asking! |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:44
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #86
Yes, but what they don't tell you is that rough idle and flatspots down low aren't doing the engine any good, and neither is the extra heat at full chat.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:44
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bulldogs
Senior User  Location: rainham kent Registered: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 885 Status: Offline |
Post #87
Mines had piper 270 cams in for 5years .And no remap  ,,,,But i am not mechanically minded lol |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:51
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #88
how many miles you done?how many oil changes? |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:51
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #89
I had an engine in with no air filter for 5 years, it was fine.Until you stripped it down and checked the condition of everything. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:52
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #90
i see what you mean.Need two engines one with cams one with out and see the cond. of both after a few years. If getting the standard ecu mapped was not so much |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:55
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bulldogs
Senior User Location: rainham kent Registered: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 885 Status: Offline |
Post #91
Cams done on 830000 ,four services ,car now on 1200000 |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:56
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #92
Thats good with no probs so far, hope it stays that way. |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:58
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #93
bet you haven't got the ideal Lift @ TDC....I've done it (lumpy cam in a stock engine) didn't idle for shite, did feck all under 2.5k, and ended up with fuelly oil. If you're going to upgrade more than once you'd be best off going for Aftermarket management where the Mapping costs is lower than the o.e ecu (or even free if you're confident enough that you won't bugger itup) ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 14:56
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #94
was just looking at the mazda build thread and on there you said that crf450 car that did the "306 vs ring taxi" was not dialed in or mapped with cams.I know to get the best out of the cams it needs a map but does it and is it really likely to cause your engine alot of damage if the oil is changed say every 3k. Only asking so dont have ago. Cheers |
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Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 16:23
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matt h 306
Regular  Location: Wiltshire Registered: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 350 Status: Offline |
Post #95
pugheaven wrote: was just looking at the mazda build thread and on there you said that crf450 car that did the "306 vs ring taxi" was not dialed in or mapped with cams. I know to get the best out of the cams it needs a map but does it and is it really likely to cause your engine alot of damage if the oil is changed say every 3k. Only asking so dont have ago. Cheers The cams were dialled in. crf450 wrote: It wasnt mapped but cams were dialled in. I cant belive the things being said in this thread, why bother fitting cams when you are not going to map the ecu to suit, you are only kidding yourself if you think its o.k. |
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Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 16:43
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #96
Mine are dialled in.Im just confused why people didnt have a map if it can cause damage long time. |
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Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 17:33
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #97
pugheaven wrote: Mine are dialled in. Im just confused why people didnt have a map if it can cause damage long time. Because too many people on here will come on and say you don't need aremap to run mild cams   ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 21:19
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gtomi-6
Seasoned Pro  Location: southampton Registered: 16 Jan 2009 Posts: 1,136 Status: Offline |
Post #98
im deffinatly going for this set up. i can get the cams for ________________________________________ ph3 gti-6 china blue- mint conditionph2 gti-6 nile blue K.I.A dec 2010 |
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Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 04:30
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #99
which cams?I'd say you wont need the FSE for definite, nor the pipercross, or the decat and magnex, hit an dmiss on the maniflow as its such a mild upgrade. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 15:07
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gtomi-6
Seasoned Pro Location: southampton Registered: 16 Jan 2009 Posts: 1,136 Status: Offline |
Post #100
i want the piper 270 h so everything that i want wot dont think its needed. Whys that mate. Tom ________________________________________ ph3 gti-6 china blue- mint conditionph2 gti-6 nile blue K.I.A dec 2010 |
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Posted 5th Oct 2009 at 17:40
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