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AMJ234

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Post #26
I would have to say I am not 100% sure but taking a guess smoke wouldn't really steam up the window. So what are the two scenarios here then ?.

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Posted 17th Aug 2012 at 00:03
buzzbrightyear

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Post #27
you would know if it was smoke, the car would of stunk of nasty burning.
Keep an eye on the above points and see how it goes, probably heater matrix if it gets worse, not to worry, it's an old car so to be expected and it's easily fixable for anybody that's got a bit of confidence with the spanners.

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Posted 17th Aug 2012 at 00:07
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Post #28
I vote steam and that the heater matrix is failing due to age/not being used. Yes

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Posted 17th Aug 2012 at 08:48
owain

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Post #29
Sounds like steam to me, if it was smoke you would've been coughing and spluttering and you'd know it, also it'd be dry so the windscreen wouldn't steam up.

My money's on knackered heater matrix. Here are the answers to your next questions:

1) It's behind the dash, which needs to come out
2) Realistically best part of a day if you've never done it before
3) Yes if you know your way around a torx screwdriver and a 10mm spanner
4) About £40
5) Two types, depends if you have air con or not. Valeo for non aircon and Behr for air-con (iirc)
6) GSF or ECP
7) Yes, you need to be careful not to snap the clips on the coolant hoses on the inside of the bonnet
8) Yes there is, the FAQ is here

Best of luck with your quest.

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Posted 17th Aug 2012 at 10:10
BlackSix

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Post #30
im just being an optimist here, but does your heater fan spin freely or does it sound laboured?
Posted 17th Aug 2012 at 11:07
armzsc6

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Post #31
Remove the cover from under the dash in the passenger footwell, if damp up there or dribling out coolant from
Near the motor / air box then the matrix
Is fooked. Dash out jobby I'm afraid. Done loads of them now.

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Posted 17th Aug 2012 at 11:36
AMJ234

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Post #32
Lads,

Looks like it was more the fact I needed to run the heater for a bit burn out any cr@p and no more smoke. Heater works fine.

Thanks Club G.

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Posted 17th Aug 2012 at 21:52
buzzbrightyear

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Post #33
It doesn't get that hot in there though for it to burn anything, any dust or leaves in there won't actually burn, as in ignite and cause smoke.

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Posted 17th Aug 2012 at 22:17
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Post #34
Have you checked to see whether you have any damp carpets at all? Dunno

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Posted 19th Aug 2012 at 16:12
AMJ234

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Post #35
I did indeed and nothing, so far the problem has not returned. Thanks all.

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Posted 26th Aug 2012 at 07:53
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Post #36
AMJ234 wrote:
I did indeed and nothing, so far the problem has not returned. Thanks all.


Hmm

Odd, but glad it's sorted for now mate. Thumbs up

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Posted 26th Aug 2012 at 09:40
AMJ234

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Post #37
OK Chaps looks like I definatley have the makings of a faulty heater matrix as mist from vent is back, windscreen misting up, and last week found a little pool of water in the passenger footwell !. Now at the moment I have all those symptoms barring the pool of water and a slight trickle every now and then.

I have looked at the FAQ's and see it is a big job for a £30 part which has annoyed me plus think it is beyond me doing it myself as sure I would break something more major doing it.

Is it possible to just take the matrix out of the loop on a Phase 1 ie connect the pipes and leave it like that till I decided next steps or leave it for good, not worried to much about cold as a run around ?

Also I heard radseal is a possibility.

Any good FAQ's on how to do this too ?.

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Posted 12th Sep 2012 at 07:47
owain

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Post #38
Taking it out of the loop is a possibility, and it's exactly what I've done and I've had no issues. At the back of the block are the two pipes that go to the matrix (one removed in this pic):



You remove those, and with some spare hose (I butchered a spare matrix pipe) you just loop them together. I used a hose clip half way down to keep the pipe from kinking, which would be bad. It's important that the water flows through and back out again, else you'll get hotspots in the engine block which can cause cracking. Therefore don't just block the ports off, loop it.



Check out this thread for people's opinions on Radweld Thumbs up

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Posted 12th Sep 2012 at 07:57
AMJ234

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Post #39
Thanks Owain for the pictures and instruction and think this is going to be my plan of attack and leave it like that.

I don't have a spare matrix pipe so what else can I use tha will fit ?.

Also do I need to do anthing else apart from pull them both off and link up ie bleed anything or shut off ? (Newbie)

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Posted 12th Sep 2012 at 13:31
AMJ234

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Post #40

Also after reading the link you sent me I may try K-Seal first and if no joy bypass next.

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Posted 12th Sep 2012 at 13:57
owain

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Post #41
Personally for ease I'd put an ad in the wanted section for a spare so you know it's the same size. Plenty of people will have spare knackered ones (i.e. with the clips broken off) that normally get binned, but they'd do you fine and someone's probably got one they'll sell you for the price of the postage.

Personally I didn't bother bleeding mine, just put a bucket underneath when you undo the pipe and it'll happily empty itself. Method is thus:

1 - Only work on engine when it's cold. Not only will the engine overheat when you run the new coolant through, but you'll melt the skin off your hands when you undo the pipe. Only ever do this on a cold engine.

2 - Disconnect the old pipe using some pliers on the irritating clip

3 - Let old coolant drain into a bucket/floor

4 - Connect up new pipe, make sure it can't kink

5 - Top up reservoir to coolant at correct concentration (as written on container)

6 - Start the engine, top up coolant quickly as it drops

7 - Once it's not dropping any more, undo the bleed screw on the top of the radiator until coolant bubbles through.

That should be it job done. Keep a close eye on your engine temperature and coolant level over the next few drives, and regularly make sure the pipe's still tight and not kinked.

If you ever notice your engine temp suddenly going up, get that engine turned off immediately, as the pipe's probably come off, and you'll melt your engine in seconds if you don't get it off quick.

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Posted 12th Sep 2012 at 18:05
swiftyboi006

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Post #42
I just used k-seal on mine and worked fine Thumbs up

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Posted 13th Sep 2012 at 12:29
daver6

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Post #43
You'll hear horror stories about K-seal/Rad-Weld etc, but it wouldn't be on the market if it didn't work... and it does work. We've used it on cars at work if the customer wants to use the car for a season then bring in over winter for restoration.

I'm not certain about a total fix for it, I see it as a temporary measure, BUT, I half think it would last the duration

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Posted 13th Sep 2012 at 17:45
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Post #44
There's nothing wrong with using Radweld etc, it just has a bad reputation. Yes

I personally wouldn't use it in any of my vehicles, but if others wish to try it and it works then that's a result. Smile

It has been known to last for ages as a repair, although I too only view it as a temporary fix. Yes

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Posted 13th Sep 2012 at 18:11
swiftyboi006

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Has worked for my matrix so far :-) will do a coolant change soon

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Posted 13th Sep 2012 at 20:08
buzzbrightyear

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Post #46
i found i had to bleed all 3 points and use a bottle to extend the height of the expansion tank above the highest pipe at the back of the engine.

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Posted 13th Sep 2012 at 21:19
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buzzbrightyear wrote:
i found i had to bleed all 3 points and use a bottle to extend the height of the expansion tank above the highest pipe at the back of the engine.



I think a lot of it is pot luck with these engines...

I've had ones which bleed up fine in seconds causing no bother and I've had others which have been a right PITA to get all the air out.

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Posted 14th Sep 2012 at 00:13
AMJ234

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Post #48
K Seal in and no issues so far. No leak or misty windows.

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Posted 20th Sep 2012 at 15:16
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AMJ234 wrote:
K Seal in and no issues so far. No leak or misty windows.


Do we call this a result then so far? Dunno

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Posted 20th Sep 2012 at 15:20
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I drill a 3mm hole in the top edge of the thermostat, aids bleeding.

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