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daveyboy

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Post #1
Ok, so I have been invited along to the Ring during the March bank holiday, this means some serious effort needs to be done to the Rallye to get it ready.

Parts I have and need to fit:
1. Ash's 30mm ARB -FITTED
2. A set of 21mm torsion bars -FITTED
3. Phillip M wavy disks, front and rear
4. Daveyboy solid rear beam kit -FITTED
5. Daveyboy seam-welded and stiffened subframe -FITTED
6. Rich W lightened flywheel -FITTED
7. Rich W ally crankshaft pulley -FITTED
8. Jenvey Throttle body and ECU kit -FITTED
9. Clutch -FITTED
10.Compbrake spherical bearing topmounts (1 degree of negative camber)
11.Cambelt kit -FITTED
12.Compbrake quick-shift kit
13.Ally battery box (re-located to boot) -FITTED
14.Isolator switch
15.Hub assembly(passenger side) -FITTED
16.Gaz gold bump/rebound adjustable coilovers - FITTED
17.Rich W PAS pump relocation bracket and pipe kit -FITTED
18.Quaife ATB limited slip differential -FITTED
19.Custom Cages weld in cage
20.Ferodo DS2500 pads
21.R888s -FITTED

So, the subframe went off today for shotblasting and powdercoating and my lovely new wavy disks arrived in the post this morning.

Disks will be going on the car tomorrow and if they work even half as good as they look I will be very chufty indeed!Cool

Hopefully the subframe will be a Monday night job and will rectify the damage I did by skidding into a kerb on some ice a few months back now. Replacement subframe, wishbones and thinner ARB were sourced as an assembly fom a nice fella from ebay for a bargain

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Posted 25th Feb 2011 at 00:38
midlife

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Post #2
Fook what a respectable time is, the main thing is complete the laps in one pieceWink

Dont entertain fitting the new discs without DS2500 padsNo No
No good running out of brakes 3 corners inDoh
Remember you will have to get your arm shafts machined out to accept the new 30mm ARB.
If you want new dampers go for coilovers, it makes sense in the long run.

Have funNinja

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Posted 10th Jan 2009 at 08:47
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No good wondering about that high pitched whine from the belt at 7krpm halfway around either....Ninja

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Posted 10th Jan 2009 at 17:28
chris with a pug

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Post #4
You fitting a smaller arb at the front then?
Posted 10th Jan 2009 at 17:41
daveyboy

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Post #5
chris with a pug wrote:
You fitting a smaller arb at the front then?


Yep

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Some of my services: (See my for sale threads)
Engine mount/chassis repair
Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION
Harness bars
Posted 10th Jan 2009 at 22:32
midlife

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Post #6
daveyboy wrote:
chris with a pug wrote:
You fitting a smaller arb at the front then?


Yep


Unsure

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Posted 11th Jan 2009 at 00:31
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Why?

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Posted 11th Jan 2009 at 00:51
stilly

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^^^^ what he said ?

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Posted 11th Jan 2009 at 00:57
stilly

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Post #9
midlife wrote:
Remember you will have to get your arm shafts machined out to accept the new 30mm ARB.


or, get 205 trailing arms pins pressed in... they is already about 32mm, so they take the 30mm arb of ash's nicely...Big grin

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Posted 11th Jan 2009 at 00:59
steve954

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i think you had better add insurance to the things to get list.

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Posted 11th Jan 2009 at 01:01
miles

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Post #11
as said the 205 Arm shafts 80% of them have nice large holes in the middle

A good time around the ring is a shade over 8mins

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Posted 11th Jan 2009 at 01:28
midlife

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Post #12
midlife wrote:
daveyboy wrote:
chris with a pug wrote:
You fitting a smaller arb at the front then?


Yep


Unsure


matsoki wrote:
Why?

stilly wrote:
^^^^ what he said ?


I'm just not so sure that a thinner arb or no arb is the way to go.
Gut feel tells me a thicker front arb is the future for track work and perhaps even for the road.
My reasoning is this, if you have very sturdy rosejointed droplinks & good arb mounts/bushes your arb will do what it says on the box upto a certain point, it will help the car stay relatively flat around corners yet still allow independant suspension movement over uneven surfaces.
It keeps the car flat by transfering load from the outside compressed suspension unit on a corner to the unloaded inside suspension unit, this has the effect of lifting the inside wheel and transfering some of its springrate to the outside wheel.
Are you still with meDunno
Now track specialists say either reduce the thickness or do away completely with the arb, this is because they are running 600-650lb+ springs, the std arb can do next to nothing (its not strong enough), suspension movement & roll is therefore minimal but still there.
If you have a thicker arb this would be more efficient at transferring these cornering forces between suspension units so should enable you to corner just as flat or flatter with softer springs, if you run softer springs road holding should be improvedDunno
I'm not saying drastic changes to springrates perhaps a 50-100lb drop
If you had a std 6 with a 30mm rear arb would it benefit from a fatter front arb or no front arb, I know where my money is.

I know some of you will say its just the rantings of a senile old git but I think my reasoning holds waterMeh

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Posted 11th Jan 2009 at 02:41
miles

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If you have a look at the TC of a couple of yr's back(Last time I looked) they run front ARB's, yes a different legue but the theory's pretty much the same

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Posted 11th Jan 2009 at 02:51
phillipm

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There's two schools on this really, you can run no anti-roll bar and stiffer springs - this will generally generate more grip on suspension with sufficent travel, however, you have effectively shifted more of the roll balance to the rear of the car and generated oversteer on turn in - which can't be easily dialed out.
On the other hand uprating both anti-roll bars will reduce overall grip slightly, as the car ends up underdamped unless you run a 3rd lever arm damper on the antiroll bar (as run on the rear of the latest F1 cars, albiet a very specialised version of a damper).
That's because you are effectively transfering spring and damper rates from one side of the car to the other, via another spring, which absorbs some of the high-frequency damping and prevents it translating, it also limits droop on the inside wheel and lets the wheel spin up slightly earlier, which isn't good without a LSD.
This is why I run no front anti-roll bar - my driving style suits a slightly oversteering FWD car, I run the car high to cope with white roads and with no LSD and whites ever bit of extra traction is a bonus.

Now, on the other hand, uprated anti-roll bars all around (which have as much slack out of them as possible to transfer the damping from the unloaded side of the car, as Wayne alluded to) reduce the roll and increase feedback through the car, which may allow you to hold the car near maximum grip more often than a car with no arb, even if that grip level is slightly lower.
That's where it gets tricky, the softer damper and spring settings allow more tyre carcass relaxation between loading cycles and can actually start to generate more grip.
And spring rate to spring rate a setup with antiroll bars will give less roll, so less camber and track change and make the car more predicatable.

To be honest, a car can be fast either way, but for a car with little suspension travel an anti-roll bar is often the only way keep the springs soft enough to stop the tyres being overworked, whereas with a car at standard ride height or on low grip/bumpy surfaces no anti-roll bar can gain vital traction as the suspension geo. is already compromised by roll (how much do you ride kerbs at tracks? With mine I throw the car over them but sometimes that's not the best way)

As always, there's a choice, and the extremes at either end are only for specialist vehicles (none of our off-roaders run any anti roll bar at all, straight line traction is premium)

I've simplified that a lot, because there are so many factors interlinking I can't do anything but make generalisations, and I've just come in from a night on the town which isn't helping, but to be honest, you aren't competing, you don't have a budget the size of Waynes bank account (Ninja Whistle) so you have to go for whichever gives you the most fun rather than the fastest times, for me, that's no anti-roll bar at all, but if it was a low road/track car, I'd probably keep at least something small or standard up front.

Well, actually, I'd probably have a go at doing a 3 damper setup after a few pints...

If you want to go to no anti-roll bar at all, really you need to be on spherical bearings all around and alter the geometry so you can still run a softish front end without the trouble of sudden roll understeer from a bump, or snap oversteer on the way into something slippy, which is a bugger to catch as it's when you're least expecting it, probably not an issue on UK tracks though, although maybe on airfields.

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Posted 11th Jan 2009 at 06:43
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So your on the fence then.







Laugh my ass off

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Posted 11th Jan 2009 at 07:00
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Pretty much yeah LOL

Nah, I'm running none, but then I've got tweaked suspension pickup points, twin springs and plenty of travel

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Posted 11th Jan 2009 at 07:02
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Think I need to pay you a visitWink

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Posted 11th Jan 2009 at 07:03
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I don't have a big enough fridge! Whistle

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Posted 11th Jan 2009 at 07:03
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Laugh my ass off

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Posted 11th Jan 2009 at 07:37
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I don't have a big enough fridge! Whistle


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Posted 11th Jan 2009 at 14:13
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miles wrote:

A good time around the ring is a shade over 8mins


Are you talking about a standard engined 6 there Miles? A shade over 8 minutes would be f-ing quick with a standard engine I think. Or did you mean 9 minutes?

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Posted 11th Jan 2009 at 19:35
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SteviePut wrote:
miles wrote:

A good time around the ring is a shade over 8mins


Are you talking about a standard engined 6 there Miles? A shade over 8 minutes would be f-ing quick with a standard engine I think.


Are you kidding? With Miles Driving 8 minutes in a standard 6 is more than do-able!

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    Posted 11th Jan 2009 at 20:40
    midlife

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    stilly wrote:
    phillipm wrote:
    I don't have a big enough fridge! Whistle


    Shock Laugh my ass off Laugh my ass off Laugh my ass off Laugh my ass off Laugh my ass off Laugh my ass off Laugh my ass off Laugh my ass off Laugh my ass off Laugh my ass off Laugh my ass off Clapping


    CnutsLaugh my ass off

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    Posted 12th Jan 2009 at 00:08
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    RichardE wrote:
    SteviePut wrote:
    miles wrote:

    A good time around the ring is a shade over 8mins


    Are you talking about a standard engined 6 there Miles? A shade over 8 minutes would be f-ing quick with a standard engine I think.


    Are you kidding? With Miles Driving 8 minutes in a standard 6 is more than do-able!


    CRF450 is pretty shit hot behind the wheel of his standard engined 6 and he can only manage an 8min 30 ish IIRC. Is Miles Really that good?? No dis-respect intended Miles BTW

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    Posted 12th Jan 2009 at 00:55
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    Well I have worked there for 4 months a few yr's ago, abit we only did the track between 8 & 9 in the morning but we used the full track and not the public entrance which is allot better.
    I have got rusty since thou so I;d but myself around CRF's time.
    I even did 9 mins in my CTi without any problems and thats a std 1.9 205

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    Posted 12th Jan 2009 at 01:10

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