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 jeffers
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 3,702 Status: Offline |
Post #26
Jenvey do sell all the required bits to fit an ICV, but as has been said before well setup you won't need it.________________________________________ Team Running Engine again!Team Negative Camber! My Budget track engine build thread! Now appearing at a Trackday near you!!  |
 Posted 30th Mar 2015 at 17:12
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #27
pebbles167 wrote: Bodies would be my choice. But there is no denying that 'Bang for Buck' a low boost setup is the way to go. debatable, given most only pull mid 230's and add make the car weigh more than stock, where a TB setup adds no weight at all, yo could cam and t-b a 6 for less than a charger on its own... ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 30th Mar 2015 at 18:32
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro  Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #28
I've been a passenger in a stock gti6 and gone past a LBSC track car at Llandow... Owner wasn't overly pleased!________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 30th Mar 2015 at 19:39
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orta
Senior User  Location: East Mids Registered: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 860 Status: Offline |
Post #29
Bodies are cheaper as well no?Don't you only get 180-190 bhp from them? Against 230-240 from a supercharger ________________________________________ CLUB BLACK RALLYE||B8s||60-70mm drop||Black Partner Steels||P1 VTS Rack||Refurbed Beam||Hybrid ARB||VTS Torsion Bar|| |
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Posted 30th Mar 2015 at 19:39
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #30
I'm over 200 with mild cams, with the satchell inlet mid 190's on a stock engine is ballpark figures.Yes bodies are well cheaper. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 30th Mar 2015 at 20:07
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pebbles167
Seasoned Pro  Location: Melksham. Wiltshire. Registered: 08 Dec 2009 Posts: 2,516 Status: Offline |
Post #31
welshpug! wrote: Yes bodies are well cheaper. Hmm. The bodies themselves might be, but installing it all and getting it running right is going to be pretty costly ins't it? As i said before, bodies would be my choice. I love a high output NA engine, but for an instant 70 - 100 bhp, a supercharger will be fairly cheap. Second hand setups are going for under £2k. ________________________________________ 2005 Peugeot 206 GTI 1802008 BMW K1200R |
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Posted 30th Mar 2015 at 20:38
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prism7guy
Seasoned Pro  Location: DoncastAAAAARGH Registered: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 4,639 Status: Offline |
Post #32
Get some lairy cams to go with the throttle bodies. Shameless plug  http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=148924&page=last ________________________________________ Goldie the track car. |
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Posted 30th Mar 2015 at 20:51
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #33
pebbles167 wrote: welshpug! wrote: Yes bodies are well cheaper. Hmm. The bodies themselves might be, but installing it all and getting it running right is going to be pretty costly ins't it? As i said before, bodies would be my choice. I love a high output NA engine, but for an instant 70 - 100 bhp, a supercharger will be fairly cheap. Second hand setups are going for under £2k. installing cost me nowt, mapping cost £300. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 30th Mar 2015 at 21:33
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armzsc6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Crowborough Registered: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 3,445 Status: Offline |
Post #34
rallyeash wrote: I've been a passenger in a stock gti6 and gone past a LBSC track car at Llandow... Owner wasn't overly pleased! Did they know what the pedal on the right does at all? My low boost would eat any standard 6 without trying (and regularly does) pulls off the clock without slowing down, saw off 3.0 twin turbo supra up to 120mph when he gave up while running less power than I am now with 3 people in the car a sub in the boot and full interior. Yes it adds weight particularly up front but even keeping elec windows and sunroof full dash and not the lightest bucket seats with heavy solid lower strut brace and thick harness bar it's around 1060kg. Not much can see it off in a straight line or the twisties. I've worked on and driven a lot of boosted cars while at a Mitsubishi / Japanese dealer for 7 years and most wouldn't keep up. There's absolutely no arguing that bodies rules easily on noise but you'd have to do and spend a lot more to an engine to make low boost power with bodies. E.g bore/stroke rods pistons lifters cams mapping ecu and loom etc etc The downside to a charged track car is the charger won't last forever and is a massive outlay to replace new. Boddies can't really go wrong. If you want best power for money go charged. If you want an awesome soundtrack a bit more power and keep the reliability then bodies  ________________________________________ Black power baby! SUUUUUPERCHARGED Seat Leon FR TDI 190BHP 300lbft daily gti-6 killer :p 12x 306's owned so far Cambelts, clutches, service work carried out on All makes and models, Peugeot Citroen / mitsubishi specialist. Pug planet / Citroen Lexia diagnostics / code reads available. |
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Posted 30th Mar 2015 at 22:27
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armzsc6
Seasoned Pro Location: Crowborough Registered: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 3,445 Status: Offline |
Post #35
Out of interest guys what sort of torque figure does a 230-240bhp N/A setup produce? ________________________________________ Black power baby! SUUUUUPERCHARGED Seat Leon FR TDI 190BHP 300lbft daily gti-6 killer :p 12x 306's owned so far Cambelts, clutches, service work carried out on All makes and models, Peugeot Citroen / mitsubishi specialist. Pug planet / Citroen Lexia diagnostics / code reads available. |
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Posted 30th Mar 2015 at 22:40
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #36
depends on the cams and capacity, I know DrSarty was about 190+ LBFT with quite a fat curve.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 30th Mar 2015 at 22:53
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dangti6
aka JKshooter  Location: Taunton, Somerset Registered: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 10,305 Status: Offline |
Post #37
Trumpets FTW!________________________________________  |
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Posted 30th Mar 2015 at 23:25
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armzsc6
Seasoned Pro Location: Crowborough Registered: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 3,445 Status: Offline |
Post #38
dangti6 wrote: Trumpets FTW! I do miss the bark mine had while standard ish with K&N and an inlet res bung sounded epic and turned heads massively. ________________________________________ Black power baby! SUUUUUPERCHARGED Seat Leon FR TDI 190BHP 300lbft daily gti-6 killer :p 12x 306's owned so far Cambelts, clutches, service work carried out on All makes and models, Peugeot Citroen / mitsubishi specialist. Pug planet / Citroen Lexia diagnostics / code reads available. |
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Posted 30th Mar 2015 at 23:39
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #39
That is nothing compared to the bark of a J4RS on bodies.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 31st Mar 2015 at 12:19
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Day666
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bristol Registered: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 5,212 Status: Offline |
Post #40
welshpug! wrote: That is nothing compared to the bark of a J4RS on bodies. Must Admit ...I'm a Bodies groupie  |
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Posted 31st Mar 2015 at 14:38
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armzsc6
Seasoned Pro Location: Crowborough Registered: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 3,445 Status: Offline |
Post #41
I've heard the metallic green 205 that pug1off built that's running 280bhp on bodies going up the strip at Santa pod. Noise is epic________________________________________ Black power baby! SUUUUUPERCHARGED Seat Leon FR TDI 190BHP 300lbft daily gti-6 killer :p 12x 306's owned so far Cambelts, clutches, service work carried out on All makes and models, Peugeot Citroen / mitsubishi specialist. Pug planet / Citroen Lexia diagnostics / code reads available. |
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Posted 31st Mar 2015 at 14:53
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #42
not a fan of that one tbh, its all revs and no grunt, last I heard form the owner when he posted on the 205 forum he said it was over 300 bhp, but it was off the Norhampton RR running to a stupid RPM not in a 1-1 ratio, so fudge factor was massive....he started threatening and getting all keyboard warriory then  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 31st Mar 2015 at 15:03
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armzsc6
Seasoned Pro Location: Crowborough Registered: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 3,445 Status: Offline |
Post #43
Lol yeh you do have to rev the nuts off it as only makes power at very top end. They did the same spec engine in a red rallye same power figures 280ish that was in PFC mag some time ago with white compomotives on. Seen it at pugfest too. Think I remember having an argument with one of the 2 car owners saying how in usable the power was bing 100% top end and I questioned the reliability running that sort of n/a power. They then turned all keyboard warrior too  ________________________________________ Black power baby! SUUUUUPERCHARGED Seat Leon FR TDI 190BHP 300lbft daily gti-6 killer :p 12x 306's owned so far Cambelts, clutches, service work carried out on All makes and models, Peugeot Citroen / mitsubishi specialist. Pug planet / Citroen Lexia diagnostics / code reads available. |
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Posted 31st Mar 2015 at 16:15
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #44
Yep how actual often are you just before the redline! A couple of seconds before dipping the clutch, grabbing another gear and back down to 5k again. 4.5-6.5k is your ideal usable power band. Funny how Pug 1 off engines are all in show cars... I'd like to see one of there's in a race series. That'll sort the keyboard bashing out. ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 31st Mar 2015 at 16:30
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #45
welshpug! wrote: not a fan of that one tbh, its all revs and no grunt, last I heard form the owner when he posted on the 205 forum he said it was over 300 bhp, but it was off the Norhampton RR running to a stupid RPM not in a 1-1 ratio, so fudge factor was massive.... he started threatening and getting all keyboard warriory then Wasn't the corrected flywheel power something like 60hp above the WHP. ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 31st Mar 2015 at 16:33
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Day666
Seasoned Pro Location: Bristol Registered: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 5,212 Status: Offline |
Post #46
Ash I love the sound of your car & love every time I see it each year something major has been upgraded What's Next for yours as if enough hasn't been done already Your m8s Red 205 is rapid also !!!!! Cant wait to see Mei in his Also ..... I think it's looking like LB Guys  ....only because I feel Bodies need a 2.1/2.2 by Mei to give those LB boys a Run & I've not got that kind of money at the mo !I'm going to hopefully go LB & then save up & sell it for 2.1/2.2 special with Bodies ? Well that's the plan I think my 3J deserves it  |
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Posted 31st Mar 2015 at 18:43
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bigbadbowen
Seasoned Pro  Location: Winchester Registered: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 13,752 Status: Offline |
Post #47
Nothing beats the sound of a set 50mm tbs running at 8.2k revs |
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Posted 31st Mar 2015 at 18:46
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blandy
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bucks Registered: 25 Feb 2007 Posts: 2,437 Status: Offline |
Post #48
rallyeash wrote: Yep how actual often are you just before the redline! A couple of seconds before dipping the clutch, grabbing another gear and back down to 5k again. 4.5-6.5k is your ideal usable power band. Funny how Pug 1 off engines are all in show cars... I'd like to see one of there's in a race series. That'll sort the keyboard bashing out. Take a look at Simon James in a saxo vts, Jason Newman in a mi16 engined 306 and there was also Gordon mason in a mi16 205 all pug 1 off built cars that run in the tricolore trophy in last few years and very reliable and competitive. |
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Posted 31st Mar 2015 at 18:53
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Day666
Seasoned Pro Location: Bristol Registered: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 5,212 Status: Offline |
Post #49
bigbadbowen wrote: Nothing beats the sound of a set 50mm tbs running at 8.2k revs AGREE Some of the Pug1off stuff looked good ...not qualified to comment on there quality or reliability |
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Posted 31st Mar 2015 at 19:54
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #50
last I know of simon he was 3 seconds a lap off will diclaudio and another sb engined 106 ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 31st Mar 2015 at 20:07
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