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 pete-gti
Seasoned Pro  Location: Kent Registered: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 1,297 Status: Offline |
Post #1
Hi guys I'm now going down the route of swirl pot and external pump, I'm thinking of a setup like below, would this be a good setup?Bosch 044 pump Braided fuel hose Sytec f1 bullet fuel filter Swirl pot Good ridge connections  Would this be good setup? Would some be able to show me a diagram of how to connect it up to tank etc, where it would plug into and that,  |
 Posted 28th Jan 2014 at 19:22
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Phil white
Regular  Location: Harrogate Registered: 29 Jun 2013 Posts: 223 Status: Offline |
Post #2
Top valve is tank return.2nd is fuel rail retun 3rd is in tank pump to swirl feed 4th is fuel rail feed (swirl, filter, high pressure pump, rail) |
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Posted 28th Jan 2014 at 19:40
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pete-gti
Seasoned Pro Location: Kent Registered: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 1,297 Status: Offline |
Post #3
So what I've done here yea? |
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Posted 28th Jan 2014 at 19:52
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Phil white
Regular Location: Harrogate Registered: 29 Jun 2013 Posts: 223 Status: Offline |
Post #4
Pretty much except you aren't showing the filters. |
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Posted 28th Jan 2014 at 19:54
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Phil white
Regular Location: Harrogate Registered: 29 Jun 2013 Posts: 223 Status: Offline |
Post #5
This is 106 but routing is well shown. |
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Posted 28th Jan 2014 at 20:01
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pete-gti
Seasoned Pro Location: Kent Registered: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 1,297 Status: Offline |
Post #6
Yea Phil pretty explains it :-) Yea I forgot the filters , the one in the kit I've shown goes after the high pressure pump yea? |
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Posted 28th Jan 2014 at 20:30
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Phil white
Regular Location: Harrogate Registered: 29 Jun 2013 Posts: 223 Status: Offline |
Post #7
No mate. Before pump. Really easy to setup. Use o/e pump and filter to feed swirl then swirl> filter >pump>rail. |
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Posted 28th Jan 2014 at 20:34
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pete-gti
Seasoned Pro Location: Kent Registered: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 1,297 Status: Offline |
Post #8
Right before pump got you :-) Cheers Phil think I've got it now |
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Posted 28th Jan 2014 at 20:37
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro  Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #9
As your running the lines inside the car I would advise using ptfe lines so you minimise fuel smell, the line is cheaper but the ends are more exspensive |
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Posted 28th Jan 2014 at 20:55
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pete-gti
Seasoned Pro Location: Kent Registered: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 1,297 Status: Offline |
Post #10
So the original fuel line going back to the tank gets scraped and now routed back to swirl pot right I'm with it Alright will look at the PTFE ones , Was thinking of doing it all under the car but not sure yet |
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Posted 28th Jan 2014 at 21:09
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armzsc6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Crowborough Registered: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 3,445 Status: Offline |
Post #11
Was just gonna ask similar questions to this for when I recieve my upside down rich W one. Planning Bosch 044 but not sure on filter yet. Mine will be under the car so not bothered about shiny ends just no leaks! What's a decent place to buy hose from? Can always get it same day from a factors but I've always found it doesn't last well and cracks very quickly. ________________________________________ Black power baby! SUUUUUPERCHARGED Seat Leon FR TDI 190BHP 300lbft daily gti-6 killer :p 12x 306's owned so far Cambelts, clutches, service work carried out on All makes and models, Peugeot Citroen / mitsubishi specialist. Pug planet / Citroen Lexia diagnostics / code reads available. |
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Posted 29th Jan 2014 at 00:00
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pete-gti
Seasoned Pro Location: Kent Registered: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 1,297 Status: Offline |
Post #12
Only question I have is , the line from the swirl pot feeding the fuel rail, does this rejoin the original line feeding the fuel rail or have you got to run complete new length to it?Also the new high pressure pump, where does that wiring get wired into? |
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Posted 29th Jan 2014 at 00:36
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armzsc6
Seasoned Pro Location: Crowborough Registered: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 3,445 Status: Offline |
Post #13
Depends if you need much higher fuel pressure than standard really. In which case I'd change the feed to the rail. The Bosch pump would be wired through a 4 pin relay using the existing feed to the in tank pump as the switched live with a permanent battery live to the relay.Same way you'd wire up some extra headlights etc ________________________________________ Black power baby! SUUUUUPERCHARGED Seat Leon FR TDI 190BHP 300lbft daily gti-6 killer :p 12x 306's owned so far Cambelts, clutches, service work carried out on All makes and models, Peugeot Citroen / mitsubishi specialist. Pug planet / Citroen Lexia diagnostics / code reads available. |
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Posted 29th Jan 2014 at 07:45
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro  Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #14
I'd look at what all the guys with the richw swirl pots did, I'm sure most will have joined back onto the standard fuel pipe.If you're doing the hole car in ptfe it'll get very expensive, probably £4-500 by the time you e got the pump etc and the extra work of having fittings welded to your fuel rail etc. We use these, Alex is a top bloke and very helpful http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Torques-U-K ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 29th Jan 2014 at 08:02
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armzsc6
Seasoned Pro Location: Crowborough Registered: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 3,445 Status: Offline |
Post #15
Doesn't seem to be muh info on here at all about the rich w setup to be honest. When I come to do mine I'll take loads of pics and make an FAQ type thing. Anyone know what sort of current a Bosch 044 draws? 40A 4 pin relay with suitable wiring and fuse should do?________________________________________ Black power baby! SUUUUUPERCHARGED Seat Leon FR TDI 190BHP 300lbft daily gti-6 killer :p 12x 306's owned so far Cambelts, clutches, service work carried out on All makes and models, Peugeot Citroen / mitsubishi specialist. Pug planet / Citroen Lexia diagnostics / code reads available. |
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Posted 29th Jan 2014 at 10:25
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pete-gti
Seasoned Pro Location: Kent Registered: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 1,297 Status: Offline |
Post #16
Yea doubt I will use PTFE things will start costing loads,So the wiring for the pump joins into the wiring for the standard OE pump yea? Correct |
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Posted 29th Jan 2014 at 10:41
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #17
Yes use the standard wiring to switch the relay for the pump. I'm sure folk will have just tapped into the standard pump wiring for the second pump but that's far from ideal.40a relay will be more than on top of the job, I believe max current will be 15-20 amps at 3bar ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 29th Jan 2014 at 10:45
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro  Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #18
mines under the boot floor and as so. pipework coming   ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 29th Jan 2014 at 11:08
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pete-gti
Seasoned Pro Location: Kent Registered: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 1,297 Status: Offline |
Post #19
An - 8 outlet on swirl pot to high pressure pump is that big enough?And the other 3 holes an-6, would that be OK swirl pot? |
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Posted 29th Jan 2014 at 11:33
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armzsc6
Seasoned Pro Location: Crowborough Registered: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 3,445 Status: Offline |
Post #20
Not sure if I'm gonna bother with AN fittings just decent fuel line clips etc as it's under the car and doesn't need to look pretty. Iirc on rusbezz white rallye it was the light blue wire to the tank that was the live to the relay. While were on the subject anyone on high boost I've been told various different sets of injectors and some at 3 bar some at 4 bar.... Rich W said to me they use Siemens 630cc ones at 3 bar. But I've heard of 590cc at 4 bar or 560 as well or something as well..... Best setup to go for? I'd be I favour of staying at 3 bar as I can't that often drive flat out for one and 4 bar just seems like its gonna make leaks happen easier. ________________________________________ Black power baby! SUUUUUPERCHARGED Seat Leon FR TDI 190BHP 300lbft daily gti-6 killer :p 12x 306's owned so far Cambelts, clutches, service work carried out on All makes and models, Peugeot Citroen / mitsubishi specialist. Pug planet / Citroen Lexia diagnostics / code reads available. |
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Posted 29th Jan 2014 at 12:24
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #21
Drop one of these in, makes for much easier plumbing    ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 29th Jan 2014 at 12:26
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russbez
Seasoned Pro  Location: Inverness-Shire Registered: 19 Dec 2005 Posts: 7,458 Status: Offline |
Post #22
pete-gti wrote: Only question I have is , the line from the swirl pot feeding the fuel rail, does this rejoin the original line feeding the fuel rail or have you got to run complete new length to it? Also the new high pressure pump, where does that wiring get wired into? this might help you mate http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=150283 ________________________________________ TEAM HIGH BOOST SUPERCHARGED RALLYEMy Rallye project thread |
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Posted 29th Jan 2014 at 12:30
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #23
pete-gti wrote: An - 8 outlet on swirl pot to high pressure pump is that big enough? And the other 3 holes an-6, would that be OK swirl pot? Yep, that's plenty. My swirl pot came with a -6 outlet but I chopped it off and welded on a -8 in it's place. If you are ordering the pot from a manufacturer you can usually specify exactly what outlets you need. ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 29th Jan 2014 at 12:30
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pete-gti
Seasoned Pro Location: Kent Registered: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 1,297 Status: Offline |
Post #24
I could with a decent guide to see how rich setup joins onto the existing fuel lines |
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Posted 29th Jan 2014 at 12:34
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
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Daveyboy, did you not drop the tank right down because of ground clearance?I'd quite like to do that on mine, however would rather cut a hole for it to slot into and then bolt it down where I lips over and use the ring of bolts to clamp it in ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 29th Jan 2014 at 12:49
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