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Pete- what you gonna be running? Touring car without sequential?________________________________________
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 allanallen
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 Posted 3rd Dec 2013 at 13:19
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rallyeash
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Post #27
Thinking of the French trophy for mine.... Shouldn't do to badly I don't think. Looking at Carl chambers race report from castle Combe his BTCC 306 is lapping no quicker than my 205.. ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 3rd Dec 2013 at 13:30
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demondriverdan
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Allan, how many races do the 1155s do? Obviously depends on car / driver as well but trying to get an idea of the various pad life.Ash, I think French Trophy would be good for you. Your car should be competitive and you've done enough track driving to know how to drive it well. I'm not anywhere near that level yet, nor is the car. Do you have any laptimes for Brands? ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 3rd Dec 2013 at 13:38
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allanallen
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Post #29
Ash your car will probably be in classE next year due to the engine conversion, still racing though! What are you lapping coombe in then?Pads depend on alot if stuff like you say, think Martin will get 4 rounds out of a set so 8 x 20minute races plus quali, probs more to be honest. I get probably 3-400 competition miles out of the 1155s in my 205 (ap 4 pots) ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 3rd Dec 2013 at 13:49
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rallyeash
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Post #30
Yeah I guess so. Unless I can say its build from a diesel block so it's built from a 205 engine in theory. There's nothing between a diesel block and gti6 block really after a set of pistons,16v head is added etc. I'd have to read the details carefully of how my car would be eligible but it could be the open class E that it slots in best. Lap times are 1.17-1.18 on a good run at a track or action day. I do know the circuit pretty well there though so that's the only circuit I'd see an advantage at. Haven't done brands I'm afraid ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 3rd Dec 2013 at 14:06
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allanallen
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Post #31
205 was never available 16 valve so it'd be in the open class wether it was a diesel block or not afaik.Good lap time that though buddy! ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 3rd Dec 2013 at 14:32
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rallyeash
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Post #32
Some rules can be taken advantage of like Colin satchell's 205. Rules say it has to retain the original model block but head is 'free' From these rules you can build a 205 using a diesel block, correct spec'd pistons and rods, use a 16V head and all within the rules... ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 3rd Dec 2013 at 14:41
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allanallen
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Post #33
Trust me i know all about 'bending' the rules  Not sure where you're getting those rules from though? It was allowed in 2013 as there was a 16v 205 in class A. Either way, the rules are tightening up next year so we'll have to see.________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 3rd Dec 2013 at 14:52
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rallyeash
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Post #34
I'm not sure but that's how Colin built his hill climb 205 16v which I'm sure you've even the thread on drivers for. Probably different to the French trophy though. Any idea what sort of car are in E? I presume this is the quicker category naturally.... I presume most will be N/A and will be 250hp+ ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 3rd Dec 2013 at 15:03
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allanallen
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Post #35
Yeah I know Colin's car, hillclimbing regs are different altogether though and vary between clubs etc. the regs were wide open in the French trophy this year so engine converted cars just ran on engine size, this meant all the quick stuff was in class A. Barely anything ran in class E, nothing worth noting anyway! The quickest cars as mentioned are clios, probably running a bit over 200bhp but not to be sniffed at! The quicker ones are running our front suspension mods too I might add!! Gordon masons 205 was getting up for 250bhp and there was a very quick (in a straight line at least :p) 106 at oulton. ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 3rd Dec 2013 at 15:11
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rallyeash
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Post #36
Sounds like some good racing to be had!________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 3rd Dec 2013 at 15:25
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demondriverdan
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Post #37
The cost of racing is incredible though. Trying to fund the car at 21 has definitely not been easy but we're getting there.Think I'm going to go with the 1155s for now and see how they go. ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 3rd Dec 2013 at 19:29
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rallyeash
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Post #38
Yeah I know, also for actual track driving you get a full day at an open pit trackday for circa 150 whereas as a race meet is a couple of quali and a couple of 15 min races for £300 plus. I know the pros on cons of both :-) ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 3rd Dec 2013 at 19:35
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demondriverdan
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Post #39
rallyeash wrote: Yeah I know, also for actual track driving you get a full day at an open pit trackday for circa 150 whereas as a race meet is a couple of quali and a couple of 15 min races for £300 plus. I know the pros on cons of both :-) Once I factor everything in (rough cost of brake wear / tyre wear, fuel, camping etc.) I think each weekend is going to cost around £500.  ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 3rd Dec 2013 at 19:38
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pete_rallye
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allanallen wrote: Pete- what you gonna be running? Touring car without sequential? Yep, if I ever find an engine builder that 1) works in weeks rather than years and 2) can actually build engines. Its got a dog box in it though so just working out how I can do flat clutchless upshifts with an engine cut on a h-pattern box...?! Was thinking of a button on the gear lever but figured that could also end in a big bang! Currently I have a little lift off the throttle and it swaps cogs which is almost as good. ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 3rd Dec 2013 at 19:39
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pete_rallye
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Post #41
Were you at Oulton Allan? I was there too! There was that red saxo that sounded like some S16 rally monster that was very quick, most of the 182 shape Clio's are running bodies and cams and are around 220bhp, and Kev (who just sold his 306 on here) now has a Clio 200 which handles brilliantly but is currently receiving some engine mods as it was a bit down on power with its standard engine and it weighs a fair bit too. From the sounds of it Ash you're 205 should be pretty competitive. You'll want to be doing around 1min 58's at Oulton to be front running, and around 2min should see you well in amongst the action.________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 3rd Dec 2013 at 19:45
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allanallen
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Post #42
No I wasn't at oulton, Martin was in with the French lot with the Nippon series though. Could of been a saxo not a 106! Was defo quick though as it had the edge over Martin up clay hill! Much p**s taking when I saw that on the video unfortunately I don't believe the rest of the car was on par with the engine. Re. The flat shift, can you not get pull and push load cells that'd fit in the linkage or knob and use that for the ignition cut? I know you can get them that work either pull or push as we've just fitted one to marts new car. It's only a switch at the end of the day! The button idea sounds dangerous! ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 3rd Dec 2013 at 20:04
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pete_rallye
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Post #43
Yeah, saw Martin battling with a skyline I think (might have been a 200sx?). It was a red Saxo I think you're thinking off, was keeping them fairly honest and it sounded awesome. It was pretty quick, left the clios and that for dead! Aye, was only joking about the button! Yeah, a push/pull switch would be good. Any links to what you used on Martins? ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 3rd Dec 2013 at 21:00
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demondriverdan
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Post #44
Off topic a bit here guys? ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 3rd Dec 2013 at 21:01
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allanallen
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Post #45
demondriverdan wrote: Off topic a bit here guys? Haha, sorry buddy! Hey it's all racing ish!  Yeah battling with a skyline, reputably only 40bhp up on matins but it absolutely walks away from him on the straights!  The load cell we used is similar to this http://www.kasensors.co.uk/GSS.0812.pdf Ours is just a 'push' cell but the one above has 3 wires rather than the 2 ours has so it probably works both ways! Could be ideal? ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 3rd Dec 2013 at 21:10
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demondriverdan
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Post #46
allanallen wrote: demondriverdan wrote: Off topic a bit here guys? Haha, sorry buddy! Hey it's all racing ish! Yeah battling with a skyline, reputably only 40bhp up on matins but it absolutely walks away from him on the straights! The load cell we used is similar to this http://www.kasensors.co.uk/GSS.0812.pdf Ours is just a 'push' cell but the one above has 3 wires rather than the 2 ours has so it probably works both ways! Could be ideal? Haha, no worries, it's interesting conversation to know where I can go in the future with the car! ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 3rd Dec 2013 at 21:15
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pete_rallye
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Post #47
demondriverdan wrote: Off topic a bit here guys? Sorry, yeah it is a bit but it looked liked you'd decided on brake pads so thought we'd just carry on...! That looks ideal Allen, cheers for that... wonder how many hours overtime it'll cost me though?! ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 3rd Dec 2013 at 21:15
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allanallen
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Post #48
Yeah no prices I notice! It'll have the usual 'Motorsport' tax on it! ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 3rd Dec 2013 at 21:20
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rallyeash
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Post #49
Almost need a race chat thread...________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 3rd Dec 2013 at 21:56
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demondriverdan
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Post #50
Quick question Allan.You mentioned the need for ducting with the 1155s, what's the reason for it? ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 3rd Dec 2013 at 21:57
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