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eliotrw

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My steering rack/ram/whats the difference? is Apparently leaking a bit. It said on the MOT anyway, although I think they blamed the pipes. Anywho with me tearing apart the suspension very soon I suppose it wouldnt be to hard to swap? Or is it a subframe offf job?
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My questions are:
When they go is that is or is it all servicable/rebuildable?
Do i just need some new rubbery bits?

One thing I do know is my pas pipes under the Radiator are screwed and rusted beyond being saveable but not leaky yet. I think it was leaking literally abouve the subframe

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Posted 12th Apr 2012 at 10:35
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The steering rack is the rack-and-pinion part that does the mechanics, like the ones you used to build with Lego Technics if you were a real man. The ram is a hydraulic, well, ram, which helps you pull/push the steering rack into its position.

See here for two racks, one with ram and one without:



You'll see there are two small pipes that connect the rack to the ram, and there are another two that then attach it to the PAS pump which you can only connect once it's on. There are a few more photos on this page.

You'll find it infinitely easier with the subframe off, but that's a big job by itself. You can probably jack it up and try to find where it's leaking from for a start.

If you're going to replace it properly, get the subframe off, rack and ram off and put on a Xsara P1 rack instead Yes

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Posted 12th Apr 2012 at 11:35
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Ahh ok. So the Ram is only part which will contain the PAS fluid and likely the only bit that would need replacing? Unless as you say i wish to "upgrade"
Not sure i'd feel so comfortable doing so with out testing a xsara first and actually knowing i prefer the less turns

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Posted 12th Apr 2012 at 11:41
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Owain - presumably the Xsara rack is 'quicker'? less turns of the wheel lock-to-lock?

How does this deal with that clumsy 6th gear hanging out in the wheel arch?

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Posted 12th Apr 2012 at 11:51
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Not quite, if you look at where the pipes go you'll see they go into the universal joint with the steering column, so it could be leaking from the rack, pipes or ram - you won't know until you look.

Although some people do bang on about the Xsara rack being fewer turns it's really not a massive difference, it's not like you turn it 30 degrees and you're on full lock, it's about half a turn difference IIRC. I use one myself and like it, but mine's solely for track.

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Posted 12th Apr 2012 at 11:52
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braymond wrote:
Owain - presumably the Xsara rack is 'quicker'? less turns of the wheel lock-to-lock?

How does this deal with that clumsy 6th gear hanging out in the wheel arch?


Correct, 2.1 turns instead of 2.6 or something like that. It's the ram rather than the rack that limits movement, so if you don't want it to rub, you'll need to put a gti-6 ram onto the Xsara rack, that'll stop it extending too far Yes

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Posted 12th Apr 2012 at 11:53
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I thought the gti6 was 3.something
Late xsaras 2.6
old xsara 2.4??

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Posted 12th Apr 2012 at 12:04
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No idea, it's on here somewhere if you search Wink

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Posted 12th Apr 2012 at 12:17
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its well over 3 for a gti6, 3.3 inc the 3rd lost by 6th, whereas a xsara/zx is 2.4 on 5 speed.

its a BIG difference.

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Posted 12th Apr 2012 at 13:14
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Yeah, its weird im not sure I feel I need less turns? maybe its one of those things where you dont know what your missing until you try?
If I bought a used xsara one, how much would it ocst for it to be refurbished?

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Posted 12th Apr 2012 at 13:29
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Nothing to refurbish really, I bought some new rubber gaiters from Unipart for about £5 if that, cut the old ones off, degreased the rack, regreased it, and put the new gaiters on with cable ties. Cleaned the thing up. That's about it really. Oh, and made up new pipes with new connectors.

If it helps, I've never once heard anyone complain about it having fewer turns, only how much better it is.

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Posted 12th Apr 2012 at 13:37
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I nearly bumped my brothers 306 into a few parked cars after jumping into it from my ZX Laugh my ass off


I was like WTF, its not turning Shock LOL

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Posted 12th Apr 2012 at 13:38
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hmmm tempting.

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I think it's one of those things like a short shifter, you never think your gearstick is all flappy and horrible until you've driven one with a quickshift, then yours feels like stirring old porridge in comparison Yes

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Posted 12th Apr 2012 at 13:44
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Yeah after the suspension and brakes /wheels. The next port of call is linkages and perhaps a short shift. I hear mixed reviews about the one type, the name has escaped me, but its almost like the older versions were good but now they are s**te? You got any short shifts you would recommend?

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welshpug! wrote:
I nearly bumped my brothers 306 into a few parked cars after jumping into it from my ZX Laugh my ass off


I was like WTF, its not turning Shock LOL


Wanna try jumping out of mine into a shogun. Makes you wonder if steering wheel is connected LOL

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Posted 12th Apr 2012 at 13:52
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You're thinking of the GE quickshift which people b**ch about. I've had one for nearly two years and have never had it slip, never had an issue. They're so simple I really don't know what peoples problem is, I assume they've not cleaned the grease off properly before installing it then not done it up tight enough.

Bear in mind the linkages need to come off to remove the subframe, so don't rule out replacing them at the same time if you want to save yourself some work Yes

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I love a good rack Big grin

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I wouldn't bother with a quicks**t, just replace the rods and bushes, or a satchshift.

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Posted 12th Apr 2012 at 14:06
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adam b wrote:
I love a good rack Big grin


FINALLY, have been waiting for a tits gag on this thread for ages.

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Heh it was intentional tbf Razz
Doing up not tight enough isnt an issue of mine really, I need a torque wrench soon actually....

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welshpug! wrote:
I wouldn't bother with a quicks**t, just replace the rods and bushes, or a satchshift.


Why not? No easier device to fit in the universe, and I cannot understand how people have had issues. It's one frickin bolt Dunno

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Posted 12th Apr 2012 at 14:12
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From what ive seen there are three designs and the first is the best?

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Posted 12th Apr 2012 at 14:24
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no need for a quickshift when the linkages and bushes are in good order.

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Posted 12th Apr 2012 at 14:24
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Tried removing with subframe in place but had pipes in the way.

I didnt remove subframe I just lossened the bolts to lower it as you only need a little extra gap to get the rack out.

Mine is costing £79.99 for a recon.

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