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t11hac

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Post #1
Right i am looking at making my rallye 4x4 but nead to no if anyone has done this befor?

And if anyone on this is shit hot with gear boxes could i get you mob i no the mi 16 box is 5 speed but i am wanting to no it the rear drive housing on the 4x4 box will come off and fit the 6 speed one of a rallye ?Crazy

befor any body says about money its not a proble
but my spelling is sorry lads but any help would be good Razz

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Posted 13th Jun 2011 at 01:26
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probably best speaking to phil who makes the lower strut braces or miles
Posted 13th Jun 2011 at 01:37
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if money isn't an issue...

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Posted 13th Jun 2011 at 01:40
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Do you have there numbers at all mate i nead to try and get as much info as i can

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Posted 13th Jun 2011 at 01:41
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Depends how u want to do it, I know when I was still livin darn sarf pug p did one but it was twin engined..... Maybe worth picking there brains though.....

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Posted 13th Jun 2011 at 03:45
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Theres a few ways to do it, and using the MI16 4x4 running gear is probably the worst. You could use escort/sierra cosworth running gear adapted to suit, which would be one of the cheaper options.

For lots of money you could use any engine, mounted to a sequential box, with front, mid and rear diffs, one off driveshafts and hubs. Basically build your own WRC car. If money isn't a problem, phone Prodrive or M-Sport, they should be able to fix you up with something.

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Posted 13th Jun 2011 at 04:01
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^^As above, you don't want the Mi16x4 drivetrain if you're after lots of power, they won't take much more than they have in the 405 without serious work.

What kind of budget are you looking at - I know you say money is not a problem but you could spend anything from a couple of grand to 6 figure sums easily...
Do you want to run off the running gear from another road car or do you have enough to go bespoke as Pete mentions?
Bespoke isn't a problem, done a few of those LOL

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Posted 13th Jun 2011 at 04:10
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I have seen an evo gearbox being fitted to a pug lump in a 405.

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Posted 13th Jun 2011 at 20:20
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i always thought that would be the best for power and budget , adapting a evo engine and drivetrain into a 306, transverse engine o so should be a lot easier than a cossie lump. i may be talking shite though as i have never looked under an evo

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Posted 14th Jun 2011 at 00:56
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It's a fairly small transfer 'box on the evo so shoehorning shouldn't take too much fab work.

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Posted 14th Jun 2011 at 01:02
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not the engine, just the box LOL

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Posted 14th Jun 2011 at 01:20
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Ok lads found out a bit of info on the 405 form and other web sites you can yous the 6 speed box with some moding but i dont want to yous the rear axel off the 405 looks like a big heavy lump so what i am neading is a photo of the rear diff carryer on the 405 in detale also goingto be useing wishbones on the rear to so nead to find out where i can get them made i am planing the dimma kit so will have to we made to fit that like befor sorry about the spelling but any input is handy boys thanks

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Posted 14th Jun 2011 at 02:29
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the bloke who owned pugperformance a while back is selling his 306 4x4, he has 2 x mi16 running gear, but like others have said will not put up with alot of power but he also has t16 running gear if you want to run more power than say 200hp!
believe he want £3000 for the lot so 2x mi4x4 running gear and 1 x t16 running gear!!
Posted 14th Jun 2011 at 15:32
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Posted 14th Jun 2011 at 18:40
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whats the "cheapest" to get a 4x4 or even rwd 306 gti-6 and for it to take over 200bhp without breaking??
Posted 15th Jun 2011 at 01:05
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405 running gear will take 200, much more than that and you're hoping.

'cheapest' way is to weld a whole 406 V6 front end in the back I'd imagine...

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Posted 15th Jun 2011 at 02:16
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how much power can the t16 running gear take then??
Posted 15th Jun 2011 at 18:53
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bearing in mind that pug performance has already done this conversion and he is selling up for 3k, i would have alarm bells ringing. has to be the ultimate 306 a 4x4 turbo charged.....but cant handle more than 200hp???.
the fabrication involved must be hours and hours so make sure it all gonna work.
this conrversion is going to cost thousands but keep us posted with regular updates, most exciting thing to be mentioned on here for years

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Posted 15th Jun 2011 at 19:28
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Go on, do it properly....

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Posted 15th Jun 2011 at 19:31
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gtisid wrote:
i always thought that would be the best for power and budget , adapting a evo engine and drivetrain into a 306, transverse engine o so should be a lot easier than a cossie lump. i may be talking shite though as i have never looked under an evo


you do have to wonder why you would take one rather tasty evo and remove its gubbins and put it in a 306 LOL
Personally I'd say save your money and just buy an evo job done
Posted 15th Jun 2011 at 19:41
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£3000 is for the shell and running gear then another 4.5 for the t16 engine!! Mi16x4 can only take upto 200 not the t16 which i believe can handle more!!
Posted 15th Jun 2011 at 20:24
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al4x wrote:

you do have to wonder why you would take one rather tasty evo and remove its gubbins and put it in a 306 LOL
Personally I'd say save your money and just buy an Evo job done


just buy one the police have gone for a joy ride in! Thumbs up

sounds like an interesting project!
but seems like a hell of a lot of hassle unless you going in for some serious competition? Blink

buy a cheap Evo! doesn't matter if it's been rolled does it? LOL

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Posted 15th Jun 2011 at 21:20
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If you had a written off evo 6-7 that had a trick engine in 4k maybe a 306 shell and an Ateam type workshop, shit load of time on your hands awide arch maxi kit,(proper one mind, never mind all that fibre glass shit) and the tech now how. i think it would be a worth while 40 k spent

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Posted 15th Jun 2011 at 22:02
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If you were gonna spend 40K I wouldn't be running second hand evo transmissions and a steel road shell tbh...

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Posted 15th Jun 2011 at 23:13
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i can't see the point of running 4wd or rwd and only running 200 bhp, might aswell keep the fwd setup. imo you need 300-400+ to actually make it worth the effort

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