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 t11hac
Senior User  Location: North East Registered: 12 Dec 2008 Posts: 596 Status: Offline |
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Right i am looking at making my rallye 4x4 but nead to no if anyone has done this befor?And if anyone on this is shit hot with gear boxes could i get you mob i no the mi 16 box is 5 speed but i am wanting to no it the rear drive housing on the 4x4 box will come off and fit the 6 speed one of a rallye ?  befor any body says about money its not a proble but my spelling is sorry lads but any help would be good  ________________________________________ Team Black Rallye |
 Posted 13th Jun 2011 at 01:26
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brownboy
Seasoned Pro  Location: congleton Registered: 13 Oct 2008 Posts: 1,371 Status: Offline |
Post #2
probably best speaking to phil who makes the lower strut braces or miles |
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Posted 13th Jun 2011 at 01:37
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MCH_GTi6
formerly mch  Location: Hayle Registered: 09 Sep 2005 Posts: 2,456 Status: Offline |
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if money isn't an issue...do like this guy with his xsara clicky ________________________________________ Team Moonstone� Ph3 GTI6Team Rallye |
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Posted 13th Jun 2011 at 01:40
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t11hac
Senior User Location: North East Registered: 12 Dec 2008 Posts: 596 Status: Offline |
Post #4
Do you have there numbers at all mate i nead to try and get as much info as i can ________________________________________ Team Black Rallye |
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Posted 13th Jun 2011 at 01:41
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jeffers
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 3,702 Status: Offline |
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Depends how u want to do it, I know when I was still livin darn sarf pug p did one but it was twin engined..... Maybe worth picking there brains though.....________________________________________ Team Running Engine again!Team Negative Camber! My Budget track engine build thread! Now appearing at a Trackday near you!!  |
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Posted 13th Jun 2011 at 03:45
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro  Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
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Theres a few ways to do it, and using the MI16 4x4 running gear is probably the worst. You could use escort/sierra cosworth running gear adapted to suit, which would be one of the cheaper options. For lots of money you could use any engine, mounted to a sequential box, with front, mid and rear diffs, one off driveshafts and hubs. Basically build your own WRC car. If money isn't a problem, phone Prodrive or M-Sport, they should be able to fix you up with something. ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 13th Jun 2011 at 04:01
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
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^^As above, you don't want the Mi16x4 drivetrain if you're after lots of power, they won't take much more than they have in the 405 without serious work.What kind of budget are you looking at - I know you say money is not a problem but you could spend anything from a couple of grand to 6 figure sums easily... Do you want to run off the running gear from another road car or do you have enough to go bespoke as Pete mentions? Bespoke isn't a problem, done a few of those  ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 13th Jun 2011 at 04:10
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
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I have seen an evo gearbox being fitted to a pug lump in a 405.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 13th Jun 2011 at 20:20
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gtisid
Seasoned Pro  Location: chelmsford Registered: 22 Mar 2003 Posts: 4,992 Status: Offline |
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i always thought that would be the best for power and budget , adapting a evo engine and drivetrain into a 306, transverse engine o so should be a lot easier than a cossie lump. i may be talking shite though as i have never looked under an evo________________________________________ puglessPhase 1 GTI 6 1996-1997 Subaru Impreza GB270 2007-2008 rare spiderman comics same day international courier |
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Posted 14th Jun 2011 at 00:56
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #10
It's a fairly small transfer 'box on the evo so shoehorning shouldn't take too much fab work.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 14th Jun 2011 at 01:02
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #11
not the engine, just the box ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 14th Jun 2011 at 01:20
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t11hac
Senior User Location: North East Registered: 12 Dec 2008 Posts: 596 Status: Offline |
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Ok lads found out a bit of info on the 405 form and other web sites you can yous the 6 speed box with some moding but i dont want to yous the rear axel off the 405 looks like a big heavy lump so what i am neading is a photo of the rear diff carryer on the 405 in detale also goingto be useing wishbones on the rear to so nead to find out where i can get them made i am planing the dimma kit so will have to we made to fit that like befor sorry about the spelling but any input is handy boys thanks________________________________________ Team Black Rallye |
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Posted 14th Jun 2011 at 02:29
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro  Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #13
the bloke who owned pugperformance a while back is selling his 306 4x4, he has 2 x mi16 running gear, but like others have said will not put up with alot of power but he also has t16 running gear if you want to run more power than say 200hp!believe he want £3000 for the lot so 2x mi4x4 running gear and 1 x t16 running gear!! |
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Posted 14th Jun 2011 at 15:32
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dangti6
aka JKshooter  Location: Taunton, Somerset Registered: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 10,305 Status: Offline |
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Posted 14th Jun 2011 at 18:40
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springs
Regular  Location: Farnham Registered: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 294 Status: Offline |
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whats the "cheapest" to get a 4x4 or even rwd 306 gti-6 and for it to take over 200bhp without breaking?? |
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Posted 15th Jun 2011 at 01:05
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #16
405 running gear will take 200, much more than that and you're hoping.'cheapest' way is to weld a whole 406 V6 front end in the back I'd imagine... ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 15th Jun 2011 at 02:16
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
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how much power can the t16 running gear take then?? |
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Posted 15th Jun 2011 at 18:53
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gtisid
Seasoned Pro Location: chelmsford Registered: 22 Mar 2003 Posts: 4,992 Status: Offline |
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bearing in mind that pug performance has already done this conversion and he is selling up for 3k, i would have alarm bells ringing. has to be the ultimate 306 a 4x4 turbo charged.....but cant handle more than 200hp???.the fabrication involved must be hours and hours so make sure it all gonna work. this conrversion is going to cost thousands but keep us posted with regular updates, most exciting thing to be mentioned on here for years ________________________________________ puglessPhase 1 GTI 6 1996-1997 Subaru Impreza GB270 2007-2008 rare spiderman comics same day international courier |
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Posted 15th Jun 2011 at 19:28
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #19
Go on, do it properly.... ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 15th Jun 2011 at 19:31
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al4x
Seasoned Pro  Location: Hitchin Registered: 20 May 2003 Posts: 23,513 Status: Offline |
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gtisid wrote: i always thought that would be the best for power and budget , adapting a evo engine and drivetrain into a 306, transverse engine o so should be a lot easier than a cossie lump. i may be talking shite though as i have never looked under an evo you do have to wonder why you would take one rather tasty evo and remove its gubbins and put it in a 306 Personally I'd say save your money and just buy an evo job done |
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Posted 15th Jun 2011 at 19:41
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #21
£3000 is for the shell and running gear then another 4.5 for the t16 engine!! Mi16x4 can only take upto 200 not the t16 which i believe can handle more!! |
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Posted 15th Jun 2011 at 20:24
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gnrlee
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 8,878 Status: Offline |
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al4x wrote: you do have to wonder why you would take one rather tasty evo and remove its gubbins and put it in a 306 Personally I'd say save your money and just buy an Evo job done just buy one the police have gone for a joy ride in!  sounds like an interesting project! but seems like a hell of a lot of hassle unless you going in for some serious competition?  buy a cheap Evo! doesn't matter if it's been rolled does it? ________________________________________ Proud Member of the ASTOR Owners Club |
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Posted 15th Jun 2011 at 21:20
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gtisid
Seasoned Pro Location: chelmsford Registered: 22 Mar 2003 Posts: 4,992 Status: Offline |
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If you had a written off evo 6-7 that had a trick engine in 4k maybe a 306 shell and an Ateam type workshop, shit load of time on your hands awide arch maxi kit,(proper one mind, never mind all that fibre glass shit) and the tech now how. i think it would be a worth while 40 k spent________________________________________ puglessPhase 1 GTI 6 1996-1997 Subaru Impreza GB270 2007-2008 rare spiderman comics same day international courier |
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Posted 15th Jun 2011 at 22:02
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
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If you were gonna spend 40K I wouldn't be running second hand evo transmissions and a steel road shell tbh...________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 15th Jun 2011 at 23:13
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro  Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
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i can't see the point of running 4wd or rwd and only running 200 bhp, might aswell keep the fwd setup. imo you need 300-400+ to actually make it worth the effort________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 15th Jun 2011 at 23:21
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