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ive been thinking of ways to get a bigger ARB on the rear of the Rallye.and what ive come up with is this,
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 lotek
Seasoned Pro  Location: Berkshire Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 6,107 Status: Offline |
and what ive come up with is this, |
 Posted 14th Apr 2011 at 20:10
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lotek
Seasoned Pro Location: Berkshire Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 6,107 Status: Offline |
Post #2
basically get two small plates welded on to the beam ( black bits) these two plates will have holes in for brackets to hold ARB down.then get a suitable thickness Arb (green bit) from a vehicle of your choice, and use rose joints (red bits) to link the ends of them to the current ARB plates?? this would remove the need to machine beam for bigger ARB and TB's and Greatly Reduce the cost. The clio Uses a simular setup and i think it could be a viable option? My understanding is that i could use a hefty ARB from a van or something as long as the lengh is suitable, and be able to run High Poundage springs on the front with out inducing oversteer? |
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Posted 14th Apr 2011 at 20:16
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lotek
Seasoned Pro Location: Berkshire Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 6,107 Status: Offline |
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opposed to welding it to beam you could attach it to the two metal parts that the beam mounts attach to - carriers?? |
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Posted 14th Apr 2011 at 20:21
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
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WHY?just buy bigger torsion bars, wont need any more than a hybrid arb then  .________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 14th Apr 2011 at 20:49
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mr swampy s16
**BAD SELLER**  Location: out and about Registered: 22 Oct 2003 Posts: 10,550 Status: Offline |
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Avonbar used to supply a similair idea for the rear of the metro.Basicaly brackets that clampd two standerd arbs togeather |
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Posted 14th Apr 2011 at 21:18
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miles
Seasoned Pro  Location: Ringwood Registered: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 3,433 Status: Offline |
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Whiteline did something like this for the 205, I don;t think it sold well.________________________________________ 306 Rallye Sptint/Race Car, 205 CTI 1.9 8v to name a fewRoad, Track and Race/Rally car preparation to your personal requirements, Full Workshop & Diagnostic Facilities New and Second parts, from Plugs to Turbo's We now also carry out Routine Servicing www.pugracing.com & FB Page, https://www.facebook.com/PugRacing Ebay; http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Pug-Racing-Shop 2012/2013/2014/2019 Class Winners at Gurston Down Speed Hillclimb & Joint overall, Class record too along the way, |
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Posted 15th Apr 2011 at 05:06
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lotek
Seasoned Pro Location: Berkshire Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 6,107 Status: Offline |
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i run 21tb and a hybrid arbbut if i put something like 700lbs springs on front il just get epic understeer? so fitting a meaty old external ARB will help to counter it no? |
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Posted 15th Apr 2011 at 13:35
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
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nope.eric underster. get some proper torsion bars, 21's are hardly an upgrade if my car has tham as standard  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 15th Apr 2011 at 16:02
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lotek
Seasoned Pro Location: Berkshire Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 6,107 Status: Offline |
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as per 2nd post proper torsion bars are 200 plus quid and then cost of machining..... this is cheap as chips thus greatly reducing cost.. if i could justify spending 300 quid on bars then it would be fine. this method will cost 50 quid odd and give great gains i think. as miles said it was available as an upgrade for the clios |
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Posted 15th Apr 2011 at 18:46
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samjl
Junior User  Location: Stockport Registered: 17 Feb 2011 Posts: 85 Status: Offline |
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Pretty much every car without a torsion bar runs exactly the same ARB setup (Obviously!). You could also get some nice Whiteline adjustable ARB's if you did this setup. Let me know how you get on, I would be interested in doing something like this. I have a 24mm Whiteline Adjustable ARB in my garage! It was very stiff when it was fully adjusted. |
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Posted 15th Apr 2011 at 19:15
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smegal
Seasoned Pro  Location: Leeds Registered: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 5,940 Status: Offline |
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Don't some Peugeots actually have this set up? I can't see why it won't work. ________________________________________ Ex SC-6Now in a Megane R26 |
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Posted 15th Apr 2011 at 19:21
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #12
no machining required on top of the £200 for torsion bars.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 15th Apr 2011 at 19:38
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ben306
Seasoned Pro  Location: North West Registered: 17 Jan 2006 Posts: 2,930 Status: Offline |
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smegal wrote: Don't some Peugeots actually have this set up? I can't see why it won't work. Doesnt the 206 estate or something similar have it? ________________________________________ My 306 Rallye Project ThreadFew recent Youtube track videos, more on my channel Pair of Rallye's doing a few laps of Anglesey Lap of Anglesey Coastal 3 sisters circuit Few laps at Blyton |
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Posted 15th Apr 2011 at 19:48
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samjl
Junior User Location: Stockport Registered: 17 Feb 2011 Posts: 85 Status: Offline |
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Welding two plates in place is hardly machining! Give it a go! |
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Posted 15th Apr 2011 at 20:14
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro  Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
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have a look at the whiteline arb for the 205's. similar setup. ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 15th Apr 2011 at 20:48
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
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You can go far enough that you've basically turned your independent suspension into a solid beam axle though...700lb springs without bigger torsion bars will be epic understeer anyway. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 15th Apr 2011 at 23:10
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lotek
Seasoned Pro Location: Berkshire Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 6,107 Status: Offline |
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rallyeash wrote: have a look at the whiteline arb for the 205's. similar setup. THATS EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN!! that needs no welding either! you got any more pics? or a link. |
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Posted 16th Apr 2011 at 00:31
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lotek
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phillipm wrote: You can go far enough that you've basically turned your independent suspension into a solid beam axle though... 700lb springs without bigger torsion bars will be epic understeer anyway. what would be the highest poundage springs usable before understeer would set in? if i was using a 34-35mm ARB on rear? |
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Posted 16th Apr 2011 at 00:35
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
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280 lb  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 16th Apr 2011 at 00:38
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lotek
Seasoned Pro Location: Berkshire Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 6,107 Status: Offline |
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Posted 16th Apr 2011 at 00:40
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
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Your ARB can only work one torsion bar with the other, it get to the point of diminishing returns without bigger TB's too.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 16th Apr 2011 at 00:54
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lotek
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Posted 16th Apr 2011 at 01:30
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