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Subject: Ultimate Road/Track Rear Beam

rallyestyle

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Ok so i have recently been thinking about what sort of suspension/handling setup i am going to end up with on the Rallye and have this in my head:

Front:
- Bilstein B8's with Eibach Springs. Lowers by about 35mm.
- Rich W's Roller bearing wishbones
- Maybe some of Phils fancy droplinks

Rear:
- Standard Pug dampers
- Ash's hybrid Arb
- Xsara 21mm Torsion Bars
- Rebuild of beam at same time with standard pug stuff.
- Solid rear beam mounts

I want the car to be for the road but very capable as soon as it steps on track while ofcourse not costing the earth to complete and maintain.

Does anyone think there is anything i have missed out/can improve on before i kick things into motion?

Cheers Smile

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Posted 19th Feb 2010 at 17:15

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Solid rear beam mounts possibly, depends if you like the rear-steer.

Posted 19th Feb 2010 at 17:12

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fletch wrote:

Solid rear beam mounts possibly, depends if you like the rear-steer.

Ah yes, good thought Yes

I have grown to like the rear-steer but something tells me i will enjoy it more without it Yes

I shall update...

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Posted 19th Feb 2010 at 17:15

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Lightweight wheels? Not exactly suspension but they will help it perform better

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Posted 19th Feb 2010 at 17:31

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clen666 wrote:

Lightweight wheels? Not exactly suspension but they will help it perform better

Great idea!

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Posted 19th Feb 2010 at 17:32

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If you can build in some more negative camber front and rear you will find more grip when cornering. Wink

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Posted 19th Feb 2010 at 17:36

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daveyboy wrote:

If you can build in some more negative camber front and rear you will find more grip when cornering. Wink

Bit overboard for the road though.

Posted 19th Feb 2010 at 17:39

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clen666 wrote:

Lightweight wheels? Not exactly suspension but they will help it perform better

+1
Better braking, steering and damping all in package Yes

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Posted 19th Feb 2010 at 17:42

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fletch wrote:

daveyboy wrote:

If you can build in some more negative camber front and rear you will find more grip when cornering. Wink

Bit overboard for the road though.

Depends how much you have, 3 degees is a little much as you will get premature wear on the shoulders of your tires. However if you can pick up some adjustable top mounts you can mix and match as much as you want. Then for the rear if you can get an extra degree of camber using Bridgecraft Engineerings trailing arms while you refurb your beam (Ideal time) then you will be laughing.

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Posted 19th Feb 2010 at 18:38

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Good thoughts guys, am liking them Yes

My wheels are already taken care of although i could possible do with a spare set, have to be 16" or bigger though, fletch?

Brakes are taken care of with my AP Racing setup plus i have a set of carbone lorraine pads to slide into them for track work Ninja

Im up for some adjustable top mounts as i dont think they cost the earth Yes

May be a phase 2 addition though, however i cant rebuild the beam and have neg camber on just the back Doh

Perfect responses, all top stuff without going insane Smile

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Posted 19th Feb 2010 at 18:46

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daveyboy wrote:

fletch wrote:

daveyboy wrote:

If you can build in some more negative camber front and rear you will find more grip when cornering. Wink

Bit overboard for the road though.

Sorry for the slightly off topic, but how much are those trailing arms? I tried a google search, but couldn't really find much.

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Posted 19th Feb 2010 at 18:56

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As already mentioned, I would possibly go for some solid rear beam mounts and perhaps the Bridgecraft Engineering negative camber stub-axle mod.

I would also get some better dampers - I don't think the OEM ones will be up to the job if you're increasing the spring rate with the thicker TB's etc.

I'm starting to build a new rear beam for mine as it's completely goosed.

Specification is:

- Bridgecraft Engineering modified trailing arms / stub axles - 3 degrees of negative camber
- 21mm torsion bars
- Ash Hargreaves hybrid ARB
- Solid rear beam mounts
- KW V2 rear dampers
- Will rebuild with standard bearings / seals etc

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Posted 19th Feb 2010 at 18:58

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Cheers Rich, sounds like you are thinking along the same lines as me although my rear beam is not dead already thankfully Smile

I will look into the rear dampers, thats a good point Yes

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Posted 19th Feb 2010 at 19:16

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Let me know how you get on. My beam will be the next thing I spend money on.

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Posted 19th Feb 2010 at 19:21

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how much is the Bridgecraft kit? MR CRF450 is it?

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- Maybe some of Phils fancy droplinks

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Posted 19th Feb 2010 at 23:27

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mabgti wrote:

how much is the Bridgecraft kit? MR CRF450 is it?

Posted 19th Feb 2010 at 23:34

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When i asked last year some point it was

Posted 20th Feb 2010 at 00:07

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Is that on an exchange basis?

Posted 20th Feb 2010 at 00:24

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fletch wrote:

clen666 wrote:

Lightweight wheels? Not exactly suspension but they will help it perform better

Great idea!

It just so happens I have some here for sale Whistle

What wheels for sale fletch?

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Posted 20th Feb 2010 at 00:27

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Solid beam mounts with ash's arb makes a hell of a difference also with lighter wider wheels. Roller bearing with xsara trailing arms would be nice also thats next on my list Ninja

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Posted 20th Feb 2010 at 00:51

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seems like I did really good with suspension mods yet as my present suspension od list is nearly the same

need a hybrid ARB from Ash, and AST topmounts

and perhaps some solid rear beam mounts Ninja

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Why xsara trailing arms? I thought the 6 ones were regarded as better?

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Posted 20th Feb 2010 at 01:37

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just a tad more camber if i member right mate

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