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buzzbrightyear

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ive had the front roll bar disconected on both sides, fitted new arb bushes, new wishbones+bushes, new shocks and new drop linkages.
ive allready fitted the p bushes and tightened them all up as they are the roller ones so the front can be done up without having the car on the ground.

but there is a 2 inch gap between the roll bar and the droplink now, i can get it to reach with a bit of tension, im sure its in the same position it was before.
is it ok to have the tension on it to fit the droplinks or do i need to undo the long p-bush bolt and nut so the droplink can reach the shock naturally??
thanks katieLOL

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Posted 20th Oct 2009 at 16:56
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Posted 20th Oct 2009 at 16:46
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is both sides in the air? should be able to get them in easily if they are.

if not, either jack the other side up, or jack the wishbone up.

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Posted 20th Oct 2009 at 16:59
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can get them in easily, but it leaves some tension on the bar, im not sure if this is how i want it or wether i need to undo the p bush bolt and nut to relive the tension from the arb bushes, so it can go in naturally.
if you get me???

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Posted 20th Oct 2009 at 17:02
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Stick some grease on the arb bushes, they should rotate freely.

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andy+katie wrote:
ive had the front roll bar disconected on both sides, fitted new arb bushes, new wishbones+bushes, new shocks and new drop linkages.
ive allready fitted the p bushes and tightened them all up as they are the roller ones so the front can be done up without having the car on the ground.

but there is a 2 inch gap between the roll bar and the droplink now, i can get it to reach with a bit of tension, im sure its in the same position it was before.
is it ok to have the tension on it to fit the droplinks or do i need to undo the long p-bush bolt and nut so the droplink can reach the shock naturally??
thanks katieLOL


Quit with the sensible replies everyone and comment on the real issue at hand Laugh
Posted 20th Oct 2009 at 17:08
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i`ll kill him, he thinks that when he wants a fast reply if he puts pics of me up he will get them.

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Posted 20th Oct 2009 at 17:11
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andy+katie wrote:
i`ll kill him, he thinks that when he wants a fast reply if he puts pics of me up he will get them.


Laugh Its the worksop way
Posted 20th Oct 2009 at 17:12
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hes layed under the car now, perfect time for a easy sly revenge!!
hose pipe springs to mind, its cold out too

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Posted 20th Oct 2009 at 17:15
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Sledgehammer to the axle stand should do it.

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andy+katie wrote:
hes layed under the car now, perfect time for a easy sly revenge!!
hose pipe springs to mind, its cold out too


Yeah we don't want any photos of his bits put up please, certainly not any hosepipes Unsure

Lovely evasion by most of the replies.Thumbs up

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Posted 20th Oct 2009 at 17:58
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The ARB has a small indent which fits the ARB bush which also has an indent which fits into the ARB clamp. Once tightened they do not rotate freely.

If not correctly aligned then the ARB does not fit the drop link well and will feel like tension on the ARB.

Make sure the ARB clamps are torqued 55Nm
Posted 20th Oct 2009 at 19:23
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well i evaded a drenchingLOL!!

so i play, you think id be better off undoing the arb clamp, fitting the droplinks, reffiting arb clamp making sure its all in place properly then torque up??

thanks everybody

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Posted 20th Oct 2009 at 21:01
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just jack the wishbone up under the balljoint..

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mabgti wrote:
just jack the wishbone up under the balljoint..

this would make the gap even biggerLOL to fit the roll bar i have to push the roll bar UP 2 inch, jacking the wishbone up would probably make the roll bar 4 inch away!
i can fit the droplinks its just i have to push the arb up a bit to do so.
im sure its in the same position as before so maybe its due to the different shocks and just needs attaching and leaving.

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Posted 21st Oct 2009 at 01:14
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phillipm

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Yes, just lift it up, but it should rotate fairly freely, if it's binding on the bushes it won't work properly.

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Posted 21st Oct 2009 at 01:18
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OK we've seen Andy- at least if I can read I think so?? So what does Katie look like?

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Posted 21st Oct 2009 at 01:32
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thats weird... anytime i've taken a droplink off its always been too short a distance...

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Posted 21st Oct 2009 at 01:41
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buzzbrightyear

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well ive put in new arb bushes and also fitted bilsteins at the same time.
it could be a case of i havent tightened the bar in at the right angle or a case of the droplink mount been at a different height on the bilys.
i think i will look into it more before i connect it all up.
thanks everybody

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Posted 21st Oct 2009 at 01:55
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phillipm wrote:
Yes, just lift it up, but it should rotate fairly freely, if it's binding on the bushes it won't work properly.


I can't understand the rotate freely bit ... The indent on the ARB locates into the bush indent which locates into the clamp indent ... when tightened it does not move freely.

I would undo the clamps and align the bushes correctly into the ARB indents.

When the ARB clamps are pushed over the bushes they can rotate the bushes so the indents are not snug into the ARB. This causes the ARB to get stuck at the wrong position.

If it is all done correctly the ARB will be at just the right height for the drop links.

Posted 21st Oct 2009 at 04:55
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is the bar like flattened slightly where the bushes fit?

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Posted 21st Oct 2009 at 04:50
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im wondering if its the eibach and billy b8`s that has changed the length between the 2 mounting points for the droplinks????????

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andy+katie wrote:
is the bar like flattened slightly where the bushes fit?


yes it is ... I can go out and take a photo if you want. I have a spare ARB on my porch LOL
Posted 21st Oct 2009 at 04:56
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buzzbrightyear

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lol if you dobt mind the cold yeah!!LOL

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andy+katie wrote:
im wondering if its the eibach and billy b8`s that has changed the length between the 2 mounting points for the droplinks????????


unsure ... I got Bilstein front shocks. It depends on the top mounting point for the drop link. If the length is different then it is going to mess up the ARB. Peugeot must have put the indents in the ARB, bushes and clamps for a reason?
Posted 21st Oct 2009 at 05:00
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