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Author Subject: Suspension change, top mount/bearing fault
Kenan

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Hi guys, the top mount on the passengers side is suspected faulty and needs changing. I decided since the suspension looks old (rears have GTI-6 written on with white paint) might as well change it while doing the mounts/bearings.

My plan is to replace the following for the Rallye -
B4 shocks all round from Kam racing
Front springs - part no 5002 P7 - found these on ebay - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2x-Coil-Springs-Pair-Set-Front-21025-Kilen-Suspension-5002P7-Quality-New/332032763699?epid=1050471185&hash=item4d4eb1e733:g:OKYAAOSwpP9Y6NWl
Top mounts and bearings - Garage to supply and fit

Now my questions are as follows -
I'v read people saying to use the ZX rear B4's on the 306, why is this?
Would the above springs be similar to genuine items or should I be getting fro the dealer (called several times, still not answered the phone....)
Is there anything else worth changing while the shocks are out?

I need to get the suspension done and then the engine top mount addressed (works loose), will then look at wishbones, track rod ends etc that might need doing as the car dosen't drive how she should. If these is anything I am missing please feel free to point it out Smile I'm trying to keep the car standard so don't want lowering springs etc.
Posted 8th Jan 2018 at 21:53
mocinim

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Post #2
Kilen springs are pish get pug or eibach
As far as it not driving like it should whats it doing
Also if you having a strip down and you can afford the bushes , change them if thete worn ! Will feel very different if she all new and firmed up

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Posted 8th Jan 2018 at 23:10
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Post #3
Pug springs it is then, when they pick up the phone....

Hard to put a finger on the issues as it were, but dosen't inspire an confidence when driving. So was going to start with what I know needs doing and go from there.

Did you mean the bushes on the wishbones?
Posted 8th Jan 2018 at 23:43
mocinim

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Post #4
Wish bones all of ! and the arb bushes top mount bearings springs shocks
And if there all worn also consider all your engine mounts

At rhe rear all four beam mounts and the dampers

For a couple of hundread quid you can really transform your car
Use febi bilstein or lemforder parts
Or if your rich use pug

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Posted 9th Jan 2018 at 00:05
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You’ll struggle to get b4 front struts as only one side available till middle of February!

Am in process off doing complete suspension refresh on customers car, and front end parts of good quality are over £400

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Posted 9th Jan 2018 at 08:02
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I'd avoid the 306 front B4s anyway due to the issue of them leaving the car sitting too high.

Unless Bilstein have fixed that now? Last I heard there were denying it was even an issue despite obvious evidence to the contrary.

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Posted 9th Jan 2018 at 08:18
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I think that was B6/8 yellows?

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Posted 9th Jan 2018 at 10:37
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I wouldn't recommend the Febi top mounts as they aren't fully covered in the rubber coating like the originals.
Posted 9th Jan 2018 at 19:24
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[quote="jord294"]You’ll struggle to get b4 front struts as only one side available till middle of February!


Good thing I'm not in a hurry !!! How do you rate teh B4's VS the genuine units?

quote:
[quote="Rich E"]I'd avoid the 306 front B4s anyway due to the issue of them leaving the car sitting too high.


I had read some had this issue, thought it was strange not everyone had the issue?!?

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[quote="deeturbo"]I wouldn't recommend the Febi top mounts as they aren't fully covered in the rubber coating like the originals.


Thanks for the info

Posted 9th Jan 2018 at 19:35
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Managed to talk to a Peugeot dealer and got prices for the springs and shocks -

Front Shocks – 94.06 and 96.91
Rears – 152.61 Pair

Springs - £225.98 the pair

So I think I'll wait for the B4's at half the price.

The parts guys said I might be able to find standard springs by KYB as £225.98 the pair seems steep.
Posted 9th Jan 2018 at 19:40
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There where a quantity of b4 that had the bracket welded an inch or so to low
I have one set that is and one that isnt to get around the issue with the incorrect set i fitted eibach -30 and it sits quite well just under standard height
The last springs for my rallye i brought from pug cost 92 each

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Posted 9th Jan 2018 at 21:49
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Right as above can't do anything till mid February when the B4's are back in stock so going to do the next job on my list, the engine top mount.
Posted 10th Jan 2018 at 20:59
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[quote="Kenan"]Right as above can't do anything till mid February when the B4's are back in stock so going to do the next job on my list, the engine top mount.


If you have an engine crane its real simple and easy took me all of 20mins

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Posted 10th Jan 2018 at 22:27
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[quote="mocinim"]
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[quote="Kenan"]Right as above can't do anything till mid February when the B4's are back in stock so going to do the next job on my list, the engine top mount.


If you have an engine crane its real simple and easy took me all of 20mins


Sorry I wasn't clear (as per normal). The mount keeps working loose, the captive nut thingymebob is loose so going to contact Daveyboy and get it repaired and the chocks installed Yes
Posted 10th Jan 2018 at 22:47
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Good man to go to

However the captive nut is only held by a sprung shroud
Its not welded in

If the cup is cracked thats what youll need super davey for and his awsome fix kit

If its just a loose nut i believe you can buy a new one with clip

Good luck with all . All the same Smile

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Posted 11th Jan 2018 at 00:49
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Had a thought
The last mount i thought was working loose on my rallye turned out to be the mount had sheared inside
Just a thought

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Posted 11th Jan 2018 at 00:53
Kenan

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Thanks for the info mocinim

Its been a twit since Iv had the caramd want to get it sorted once and for all and have the chocks done I'll be a bonus. I've refitted the Mount several yes and works its way loose again.
Posted 11th Jan 2018 at 11:14
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I’ve just used Monroe front struts from mister-auto

As for peugeots own rear shocks, they are gash compared to the 5206.k6 they used to supply

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Posted 11th Jan 2018 at 11:25
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I have two sets of the 5206.k6 aquired at great cost for my rallyes
Thay(as you mention )are far superior to the new pish
Im think munroe may have been the original stock supplier to pug
Could be wrong
They do well any how

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Posted 11th Jan 2018 at 19:33
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Just got a set of B4's fronts from mister-auto if anyone is looking for some.

Turned out the springs are genuine pug ones that had only 1000 miles on when fitted and have now done about 30-40K so should be good for a while Smile
Posted 20th Mar 2018 at 20:40
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Found a list of 'interchange parts' for 5206 K6 at https://www.yoyopart.com/oem/6629858/peugeot-5206k6.html

Some are listed as 'direct' and some as 'indirect' - not sure what that means exactly. Some are Pug or Citroen OE parts. Would any of these be better than the Pug supercession? I ask because I ended up with the new replacement versions and never liked the idea even though I had no evidence. My reasoning was a supercession would not be done for reasons of improvement, but because the car is long out of production, Pug potentially losing interest in it etc.


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Posted 23rd Mar 2018 at 14:03
welshpug!

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it could be either, some of the supercessions on older cars were that some parts of a similar specification still in production would work on older cars.

some are narrowing down the replacement parts to an average spec unit rather than one specific to each spring rate & corner weight.

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Posted 24th Mar 2018 at 13:30
mik

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Thanks Mei.

quote:
[quote="jord294"] As for peugeots own rear shocks, they are gash compared to the 5206.k6 they used to supply


So Andy, in what sense are these supercession parts (that I've used on my Rallye with the reservations stated above) ''gash'' compared to the originals and what should I be using instead that is something directly equivalent to the 5206 K6 that I wanted in the first place? Even in 2013 (but only fitted them recently and had a turn around the block before going away again) when I bought them the Pug dealer could only find one of the originals.

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Posted 24th Mar 2018 at 20:01
welshpug!

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they had been replaced by 5206 TE for a while but there's another new part number ans spec now which is a skinny body and much lower damping rate.

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Posted 24th Mar 2018 at 20:39
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OK, thanks, so am I correct in assuming the 5206 TE is similar to the original 5206 K6, and better than the latest skinny body revision?

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Posted 24th Mar 2018 at 21:31

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