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Author Subject: Steering Rack ratios
pete_rallye

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Post #1
Does anyone have a list of the different ratios of the various racks available to fit a 306? Or could anyone list them for me? Would be muchly appreciated!

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Posted 29th May 2013 at 19:28
welshpug!

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Post #2
PAS racks -

phase 2 xsara vts, 2.6

phase1, 2.4

zx 16v, 2.4, but splined lower column, need to obtain zx lower column as well.


306, Boat tiller. (3.6, limited by 1/3rd on 6 speed cars, actual lock to lock is 3.9)

non pas -

quaife 2.5 turn 205 pinion kit, will fit on a 306 if 306 trackrods are used.

306 non pas, super tanker tiller.

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Posted 29th May 2013 at 19:35
pete_rallye

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Post #3
Cheers, any idea what boat tiller actually is?! Not interested in super tanker tiller!

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Posted 29th May 2013 at 19:36
welshpug!

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Post #4
I managed to find the manual rack figure, 4.1!

PAS not as long as I thought, at 2.9 (actually is 3.2 for 5 speed racks)

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Posted 29th May 2013 at 19:44
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Posted 29th May 2013 at 19:48
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Post #6
nice bit of info there
Posted 29th May 2013 at 20:21
buzzbrightyear

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Post #7
So if its really 2.9 fitting a phase 2 cases rack won't make a massive difference will it?

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Posted 29th May 2013 at 23:56
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Yes it will, as its actually 3.2 if you take into account for the limitation.

2.6 probably ends up at 2.2 with the gti6 ram fitted.

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Posted 30th May 2013 at 00:00
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would it be a good idea to fit a new ram at the same time or just leave it until it leaks?

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Posted 30th May 2013 at 00:01
welshpug!

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Given you can no longer buy a new one...

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Posted 30th May 2013 at 07:48
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Post #11
oh dear, in another ten years there will only be service items left at pug.

Is there service/repair kits for the rams that come with new seals eg so it can be refurbed?

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Posted 30th May 2013 at 10:37
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Blimey, I hadn't realised the rams were NLA now. I bought a new one about a year ago.

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Posted 30th May 2013 at 10:57
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Post #13
Carl said they were nla recently, it should be simple enough to make a collar to clamp on the r/h side of the pinion as a lock stop instead.

I dont think the rams are a servicable item due to how they are assembled, though neither is an o.e damper and i'm sure phillip has taken one apart LOL

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Posted 30th May 2013 at 11:21
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You can still buy o.e ones i believe

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Posted 30th May 2013 at 11:26
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From where?

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Posted 30th May 2013 at 11:28
eliotrw

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good point, ECP used to sell them individually but after a quick check i cant see them now.

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Posted 30th May 2013 at 12:36
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Post #17
If I buy a steering rack from an R reg VTS will it go straight on with the gti6 pipes ?
Do I have to drop the subframe out and will the new rod ends I just bought for my gti6 rack fit or will I have to buy different ones.
The lock to lock is around 2.4 turns for this rack is it not and am I correct to assume the ram will limit the turning circle regarding the gearbox on the 6?
Thanks for your time
Posted 3rd Jun 2013 at 21:33
phillipm

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Post #18
welshpug! wrote:


I dont think the rams are a servicable item due to how they are assembled, though neither is an o.e damper and i'm sure phillip has taken one apart LOL


LOL

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Posted 3rd Jun 2013 at 21:53
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Lots of threads on this but in case they have autodeleted, you need to put the 6-speed ram on the Xsara rack otherwise the LH wheel will catch the gearbox on right lock = MOT failure.

The Haynes says you can change the rack by dropping the subframe down at the rear, without removing it entirely. Others on here are more expert than me as I got someone else to do it for me but plenty of people have done it DIY. I replaced all nuts and bolts etc too.

You can use GTI-6 or VTS steering arms though there will be more thread exposed at the outer ends using the VTS arms. I've got the VTS arms, others have got GTI-6 ones, both work.

If it is Phase 1 VTS then yes it is 2.4 turns lock to lock and yes the 306 pipes will fit straight on.

I have a Phase 2 VTS 2.6 rack on my Rallye (I needed to use VTS pipes) and it is excellent.

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Posted 3rd Jun 2013 at 22:51
greenie

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Awesome reply Mik.
Thanks very much for your time.
Posted 4th Jun 2013 at 07:22
poo joe

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Post #21
Not sure if I'm allowed to resuscitate a thread like this. But I heard a rumour that XU 205 racks also fit in 306s. Has this ever been tried? The PAS 205s have a pretty quick ratio.
Posted 11th Jun 2020 at 03:40
welshpug!

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Post #22
did you even read the thread?

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Posted 11th Jun 2020 at 13:18
poo joe

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Post #23
You imply that all 205 racks might fit with "quaife 2.5 turn 205 pinion kit, will fit on a 306 if 306 trackrods are used". But I'm lazy and didn't want to have to onsell a rack that I bought that didn't fit.
I'm also a little cautious because putting a PAS 205 rack in a 306 isn't something that I've seen done. Although where I live the 205 SI is a hell of a lot more common than the VTS.
So yeah you got me, I am both lazy and poor.
Posted 12th Jun 2020 at 03:43
Day666

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poo joe wrote:
Not sure if I'm allowed to resuscitate a thread like this. But I heard a rumour that XU 205 racks also fit in 306s. Has this ever been tried? The PAS 205s have a pretty quick ratio.


Not as far as I know ?
Most of us who want quick racks use VTS Racks m8

In 2013 when this thread was written ..VTS -1 racks were the simplest to fit to a 6 because the pipe work went straight on and so did the stop ram to limit turning distance....

The VTS -2 pipe work didn’t Directly on

Sadly VTS -1s are few and far between some 7 years later and fetch £250 upwards if you can find one
I bought mine 6years ago

I believe the NON PAS 205 rack Didn’t or doesn’t have the ram stop fitting facility and what it’s saying is you need that for a 6 gearbox otherwise if the wheel hits the body work on turning ....it’s a MOT failure in the UK ....but your not in the UK ?
But people like Satchel and others fitted a alloy stop block into the 205 gearbox side only steering rack to stop it hitting anything...I’m sure that’s possible and VTS Racks have been fitted to 205s so why not 205 to 6 ????
Posted 12th Jun 2020 at 10:33

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