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rich_w

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Post #51
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was at waynes the other day and he only had good things to say about your car/work rich


It means a lot to hear Wayne say that.

I have more respect for him than anyone else in the business.

This guy works on some fabulous machinery, from full blown BTCC cars to Ecosse's latest garyboy show car.

Its good to hear my work is superior to some of the UK's best known tuners.

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Posted 16th Aug 2007 at 17:41
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As long your engine is in good health, and recieves regular maintenance (particularly oil changes) there's no reaon why it can't support a low boost, 250 BHP conversion, even if its done 150K.

Ash's nile GTi-6 has done over 150K and I swear it feels just as strong as when it rolled off the production line..

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It is slightly more powerful than the GTI6 engine in my 205 race car, as confirmed on the Rollers last night.

Oh and 50 laps of Brands very recently.

I might go for the low boost option first.
Posted 16th Aug 2007 at 18:39
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was at waynes the other day and he only had good things to say about your car/work rich


It means a lot to hear Wayne say that.

I have more respect for him than anyone else in the business.

This guy works on some fabulous machinery, from full blown BTCC cars to Ecosse's latest garyboy show car.

Its good to hear my work is superior to some of the UK's best known tuners.

Big grin


yeah, he really knows his eggs. he had a bmw (dutch car) in his workshop when i arrived.......trick as fook Big grin

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Posted 17th Aug 2007 at 06:09
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Post #54
I have further developed the solution to engine management...

I should be able to offer be able to offer an ECU socketing/flashing service, for either of the following maps:

Low boost - 250 BHP
High boost - 375+ BHP

The price would be

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Posted 17th Aug 2007 at 17:56
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Nice!

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Posted 17th Aug 2007 at 18:25
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Nice!


Nice indeed Yes This is turning out to be a fairly cost effective upgrade for you SC guys, good work Rich Thumbs up

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Posted 17th Aug 2007 at 19:25
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Post #57
nice one rich Smile i only live round the corner from chip wizards but i may as well get you to do it if it will be cheaper
Posted 17th Aug 2007 at 19:31
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Yeah, I think its definitely the cheapest way to achieve noticable power gains!

It works about

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Posted 17th Aug 2007 at 19:36
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Post #59
The universal chip sounds good, think running 440cc injectors with 3bar FPR would be a good idea on low boostYes That way you only need a 4bar FPR to upgrade when you go hi boost. Any ideas what your inlet temps are with your fmic rich? Thought about calculating running a smaller rotrex?

Whats the news on that spare?

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Posted 18th Aug 2007 at 00:46
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The universal chip sounds good, think running 440cc injectors with 3bar map would be a good idea on low boostYes That way you only need a 4bar map to upgrade when you go hi boost. Any ideas what your inlet temps are with your fmic rich? Thought about calculating running a smaller rotrex?

Whats the news on that spare?

I take it when you say MAP, you mean FPR, as in fuel pressure regulator?

Im hoping the standard injectors will provide enough fuel, although they are going to be right on the limit.

If not I will try the standard injectors with a 4 BAR regulator.

If this doesn't do the job it will have to be a set of 440's.. Was just trying to avoid them to keep the cost down for the low boost peeps.

Im not really going to know until the 1st car gets on the dyno tho...

BTW, you can a 4 BAR FPR that fits directly in your fuel rail from a VW 2.9 VR6 engine Cool

Be interesting to see how much they are new..

Unsure

As for the kits, at the moment 2 or 3 are spare.. this is because 17 instead of 12 are being made! The demand has been far higher than anticipated..

All good tho'

Big grin

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Posted 17th Aug 2007 at 21:27
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mmmm 17 charged 6's Big grin

Nice idea with the mapping, thats sure gunna save me one hell of a trip on a tow truck!

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Posted 17th Aug 2007 at 23:25
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Post #62
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The universal chip sounds good, think running 440cc injectors with 3bar FPR would be a good idea on low boostYes That way you only need a 4bar FPR to upgrade when you go hi boost. Any ideas what your inlet temps are with your fmic rich? Thought about calculating running a smaller rotrex?

Whats the news on that spare?

I take it when you say MAP, you mean FPR, as in fuel pressure regulator?

Im hoping the standard injectors will provide enough fuel, although they are going to be right on the limit.

If not I will try the standard injectors with a 4 BAR regulator.

If this doesn't do the job it will have to be a set of 440's.. Was just trying to avoid them to keep the cost down for the low boost peeps.

Im not really going to know until the 1st car gets on the dyno tho...

BTW, you can a 4 BAR FPR that fits directly in your fuel rail from a VW 2.9 VR6 engine Cool

Be interesting to see how much they are new..

Unsure

As for the kits, at the moment 2 or 3 are spare.. this is because 17 instead of 12 are being made! The demand has been far higher than anticipated..

All good tho'

Big grin

Ninja


FPR mateWhistle

4bar from s3's too.

Just had word that a company does a ROTREX boost conversion for the ALFA 147GT. Retailed full conversion is............wait for it.............

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Posted 18th Aug 2007 at 00:51
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Im sure we can compensate you rich with a few Stellas and some vodka chasers at the very least! Big grin

Thats great news about the ECU side of things, although would the map be dependant on everyone having the same exhaust system at all, or would that not really play thats much of a part?

And Trustplum, make that 18 charged 6's, 17 new ones in various states of tune, plus the daddy car that spawned the rest....

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Posted 18th Aug 2007 at 03:27
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Post #64
Oh, and would also like to echo Mabs request on inlet charge temps please!

What is a desireable inlet charge temp? obviously as low as possible im assuming, but is there a temp thats generally regarded as being too high where you would have to be intercooled.

Just thinking about the intercooler situation for the low boost boys, just how beneficial / essential it would be.

Also, on another side note, what size is your oil cooler? 13 row or 16 row im guessing.
Im after getting one, a 13 row, but dont want to get that and find its too small for a charged car.

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Posted 18th Aug 2007 at 03:32
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And Trustplum, make that 18 charged 6's, 17 new ones in various states of tune, plus the daddy car that spawned the rest....


Ahh yes i forgot about the daddy of them all! Cool

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Posted 18th Aug 2007 at 08:17
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Thats great news about the ECU side of things, although would the map be dependant on everyone having the same exhaust system at all, or would that not really play thats much of a part?


Won't make a huge world of difference, as long as bore diameter etc is similar the back pressure should be similar. I think most of the aftermarket exhaust sytems available will be fairly similar.

I wouldn't recommend a completely standard exhaust system, a definite gain is to be had by relieving a bit of back pressure on blown engines.

A decat would also be good, but not essential.

In either case the exhaust sytem will be much more critical on a high boost conversion, as the air velocity in the system will nearly twice as fast...

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Posted 18th Aug 2007 at 19:01
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What is a desireable inlet charge temp? obviously as low as possible im assuming, but is there a temp thats generally regarded as being too high where you would have to be intercooled.

Just thinking about the intercooler situation for the low boost boys, just how beneficial / essential it would be.

Ta!


The most desirable inlet temp is as low as possible..

Doing some quick calculations, as per my car, the air inlet temp right at the top end (peak boost) would be 114 deg. c

This assumes:

- Running at peak boost of 1.3 BAR
- Ambient air temp of 25 deg. c.
- Assuming the compressor achieves 75% adiabatic efficiency

An intercooler is clearly vital. Assuming my intercooler is 75% efficient (its fairly large, so a reasonable assumption), it would bring my peak charge temp down to 47 deg. c.

Now, for the low boost guys, all details as above, albeit peak boost will be 0.5 BAR, the peak charge temp would be 56 deg. c.

This is a lot lower than a high boost setup, and only a small amount over the charge air temp of an intercooled high boost setup.

An intercooler is not vital hear.

However... A gain is still to be had by fitting one.

Assuming you also achieve 75% on your intercooler, peak charge temp would be reduced to 37 deg. c.

So what does this mean? For this we need to look at the resulting air density ratios.

I won't go into all the formulae, but the density ratio for the non intercooler set up (were still talking low boost here) is 0.86. If you add an intercooler, of 75% efficiency, which is quite achievable, density ratio increases to 0.96. This equates to a gain in density of 0.1, or 10%. This means 10% more air molecules will get into your engine.

You would expect to see a similar gain in power, so 10% (in reality you lose 1-2% caused by the restriction of forcing the charge through an intercooler), which could mean 25BHP. So on my conversion, with a target power of 250BHP, you may only get 225BHP without an intercooler.

So I would recommend one... even if its only a small one.

If your tight for space, Pace Products do a charge-cooler kit for the 306 HDi. Im sure this could be used, and I think it fits in with the air-con rad and everything...

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Posted 22nd Aug 2007 at 05:46
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Also, on another side note, what size is your oil cooler? 13 row or 16 row im guessing.
Im after getting one, a 13 row, but dont want to get that and find its too small for a charged car.

Ta!


Mine is 16 row, but a 13 row will be adeqequate...

You only really need an oil cooler for track use..

I did Snetterton with no oil cooler and it was fine, although the oil temps were higher than I liked..

Dry

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Posted 18th Aug 2007 at 19:49
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Cheers for the advice about miles on the clock..
ye regular service etc, runs a dream at 125kBig grin
i really want 1!!! but wuldnt b able to till around dec/jan time.. will they still be available..? hope so..LOL

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Posted 18th Aug 2007 at 21:00
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Im not sure mate - you will have to wait and see..

I have no intentions of making more, as i've substantially increased the size of this batch.

17 kits are being made, and I think 13 or 14 are sold..

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Posted 22nd Aug 2007 at 05:57
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I have been doing a little research on the reducer ring needed to control boost for the low boost (approx. 7-8 PSI and 250 BHP) conversion.

The reducer ring size needed could be anything from 25mm to 60mm diameter, although it is likely to be about 30mm.

I have also been informed the size of the reducer ring is extremely critical, and it will probably have to be fine tuned in 0.1mm increments to get the desired boost.

This presents me with a problem - its not feasibly to supply everyone with a set of 100's of reducer rings, ranging from say 25mm to 60mm in 0.1mm increments, this would cost more than the entire kit.

What im planning to do is experiment and determine the exact reducer size needed on the first low-boost conversion that is ready for dyno-time.

Once i've determined which size is needed to give 7-8 PSI and 250ish BHP, I will send the appropriate size reducer out to everyone.

Hope this makes sense...

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Posted 22nd Aug 2007 at 06:17
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BTW, think about your engine sucking through a 30mm hole...

... Its seems extremely small to give 250 BHP but it won't be far out.

Touring cars aren't much bigger apparently!

Unsure

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Posted 22nd Aug 2007 at 06:20
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Post #73
I should have some colour Rotrex brochures coming to Lynx soon.

If any prospective buyers would like one, please send an A4 SAE to me.

I will post the address of Lynx Garage/Lynx Power Engineering once the brochures are in stock

Yes

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Posted 22nd Aug 2007 at 06:41
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29.6mm says mr. fag packet + 2 pints of stones.

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Posted 22nd Aug 2007 at 06:46
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WRC cars make 300 bhp and well over 300 lbft's of torquies (350 in peugeot's case) with a 34mm restrictor.

and a lot of BTCC spec touring cars used to use Stock ported inlets and T/B's

noo problemo! good to see someone actually taking somethign beyone the single prototype stage.

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