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 mike rallye
Seasoned Pro  Location: mold Registered: 03 Sep 2008 Posts: 1,618 Status: Offline |
Post #1
Hi guys i broke down this morning on way to castle combe.basically stopped at round about ,then set of again .changed to second gears and got to about 6000rpm and basically lost throttle and car died.i can start the car but when i touch throttle pedal the car just dies. Any ideas to what i should be looking for or what it could be ?Cheers mike |
 Posted 14th Sep 2013 at 06:14
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bigbadbowen
Seasoned Pro  Location: Winchester Registered: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 13,752 Status: Offline |
Post #2
Throttle position switch unplugged ? |
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Posted 14th Sep 2013 at 06:50
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mike rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: mold Registered: 03 Sep 2008 Posts: 1,618 Status: Offline |
Post #3
No all plugged in |
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Posted 14th Sep 2013 at 06:55
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coskev
Seasoned Pro  Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
Post #4
Map sensor________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
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Posted 14th Sep 2013 at 07:01
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gti6girl
Seasoned Pro  Location: Dartford Registered: 19 Feb 2007 Posts: 2,692 Status: Offline |
Post #5
Got the same problem on the 205. Idles fine but dies as soon as you blip the throttleGet a new throttle position switch |
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Posted 14th Sep 2013 at 07:27
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mike rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: mold Registered: 03 Sep 2008 Posts: 1,618 Status: Offline |
Post #6
Is that the yellow plug one ,is there any way to test it ?Could it be timing issue or even a chance it spun a shell ? As it won't even run now |
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Posted 14th Sep 2013 at 08:20
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bigbadbowen
Seasoned Pro Location: Winchester Registered: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 13,752 Status: Offline |
Post #7
Would still run if spun a shell ? Unplug the plug under the throttle bodie ? And try and start it? |
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Posted 14th Sep 2013 at 08:25
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north wales pug
Junior User Location: rhyl Registered: 18 Jan 2013 Posts: 85 Status: Offline |
Post #8
Hi it sounds like your map sensor.. yippekayay had same problem last month on rallye________________________________________ M.whitehouse |
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Posted 14th Sep 2013 at 08:37
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #9
The yellow sensor is the throttle body heater so it's not that. Shells knock like f**k when they go.Is the fuel pump running? ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 14th Sep 2013 at 08:37
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mike rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: mold Registered: 03 Sep 2008 Posts: 1,618 Status: Offline |
Post #10
Just tryed that ,and wouldn't start . |
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Posted 14th Sep 2013 at 08:38
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mattgti6phase2
Seasoned Pro  Location: inside my 6 abusing the tarmac!! Registered: 16 Jul 2010 Posts: 2,371 Status: Offline |
Post #11
It'll run without the TPS plugged in so I doubt it's that. When thy fail its just very hesitant unless the throttle is wide open.I'd say ICV when they completely fail they stay in the same position and do not allow air to pass by it so literally it'll start and then die immediately. One way around this is use your throttle adjuster pin to open the throttle slightly so the car can at least draw air to allow it to idle. ________________________________________ Team Nile 6 Team: 40.2 MPG  5 x a 306 owner! currently abusing type r's in a town near you ™  I truely live for the 306 ® Build date: 29th October 1997 Wednesday's car midweek madness  |
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Posted 14th Sep 2013 at 10:52
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mike rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: mold Registered: 03 Sep 2008 Posts: 1,618 Status: Offline |
Post #12
Right update if i disconnect the ecu and then plug it back in it work fine until 6000rpm,then the problem is back but i have just noticed there is oil on one the pins in the plug |
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Posted 14th Sep 2013 at 11:24
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mike rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: mold Registered: 03 Sep 2008 Posts: 1,618 Status: Offline |
Post #13
I have just re checked the timing and the exhaust cam and bottom pulley line up ,but the inlet cam is about half a tooth to a tooth out ,how do i pin the inlet cam with out damaging it ? |
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Posted 14th Sep 2013 at 11:51
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ryangti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Pontypool Registered: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,839 Status: Offline |
Post #14
Pin the bottom pulley and exhaust cam and as you release the belt tension make sure you are holding the inlet cam very tightly so it can't move then turn it to line back up, pin it up and refit the belt.It is very important that you do not let it move when you release the belt tension because it will want to turn and you will hit the open exhaust valves. Fingers crossed you havnt but a tooth out on these engines will usually have caused damage already. ________________________________________ Ryan |
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Posted 14th Sep 2013 at 13:59
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bigbadbowen
Seasoned Pro Location: Winchester Registered: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 13,752 Status: Offline |
Post #15
How did you manage that then ? Thought you timed up properly when cam belt was changed ? |
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Posted 14th Sep 2013 at 14:09
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #16
It sounds like you need your tools confiscating to me.........  ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 14th Sep 2013 at 14:17
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mike rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: mold Registered: 03 Sep 2008 Posts: 1,618 Status: Offline |
Post #17
Not sure how i managed it to be honest, as I timed it up ok and even drove round init yesterday. So i have retimmed it up again, but I have noticed when I slacken the camshaft bolts on the inlet one is so tight as in almost sezied to try and rotate it clockwise , it take a lot of force but does not rotate back at all.could this be the problem? it runs atm but could something be damaged? |
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Posted 14th Sep 2013 at 16:06
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rich306
Seasoned Pro  Location: Portsmouth Registered: 09 Aug 2009 Posts: 1,834 Status: Offline |
Post #18
A lot of compression I'd assume if its hard to turn________________________________________ Richies Project RallyeElectrical work carried out in Portsmouth jamiek_uk2000 wrote: - Top Tip!!! You'll need to throw money at the car. Not on parts. Just stand near your car and throw loose change at it, I find this increases performance for a short period of time |
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Posted 14th Sep 2013 at 16:42
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mike rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: mold Registered: 03 Sep 2008 Posts: 1,618 Status: Offline |
Post #19
Explain rich ? I understand there be some compression there, but would of been able to still turn out easily to an extent? I got to the point were it was better cc than this morning, but now don't sure what to do. Get someone to look at it or trade it in |
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Posted 14th Sep 2013 at 17:17
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ryangti6
Seasoned Pro Location: Pontypool Registered: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,839 Status: Offline |
Post #20
Do you mean the pulley is hard to turn on the camshaft or the camshaft itself?If you mean the pulley is tight probably best to remove and put a bit of grease so it can move in the slotted area nicely. If It's too tight it won't move when you tension the belt and this uneven tension is what will result in 1 cam being slightly out after a few rotations. ________________________________________ Ryan |
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Posted 14th Sep 2013 at 18:18
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mike rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: mold Registered: 03 Sep 2008 Posts: 1,618 Status: Offline |
Post #21
Yeah the camshaft pulley I mean, so this is what could be happening then and is causing the running problems and cant rev past 6000rpm then? |
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Posted 14th Sep 2013 at 18:32
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jord294
Seasoned Pro  Location: somewhere in north wales Registered: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,102 Status: Offline |
Post #22
Whenever I do a cambelt I always give a little spray of wd40 to make sure the cam pulleys are nice and free for adjustment________________________________________ FRESHLY RE-FURBISHED GTI BEAMSFITTING AND LOWERING AVAILABLE. ALL AXLES BUILT USING GENUINE PEUGEOT PARTS IF I'M NOT HERE, IT ONLY MEANS ONE THING.... I'M SOMEWHERE ELSE! |
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Posted 14th Sep 2013 at 18:50
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #23
jord294 wrote: Whenever I do a cambelt I always give a little spray of wd40 to make sure the cam pulleys are nice and free for adjustment This is so important, can lead to mis-timing if the cams aren't independent of the pulleys when doing a belt.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 14th Sep 2013 at 19:12
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mike rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: mold Registered: 03 Sep 2008 Posts: 1,618 Status: Offline |
Post #24
So do I just remove the 18m bolt then once it all timmed up then? to free off the pulley , as I assume it wont slip as it will be still timmed up |
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Posted 14th Sep 2013 at 19:39
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bigbadbowen
Seasoned Pro Location: Winchester Registered: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 13,752 Status: Offline |
Post #25
Just take the pulley off the cam will only turn little ? I take it off take it apart and give it a quick sand to get it moving freely ? When you put it back on tighten it up a little then re time the cam it should only need moving a little not a whole turn |
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Posted 14th Sep 2013 at 20:20
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