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 mike rallye
Seasoned Pro  Location: mold Registered: 03 Sep 2008 Posts: 1,618 Status: Offline |
Post #1
Am about to do my timing belt, but when I come to time it up, the bottom pulley doesnt line up. My questions is can I pin the camshafts up , then remove the belt and time the bottom up? I am in process of getting another pulley but need me car on road tonight. Cheers mike |
 Posted 9th Sep 2013 at 19:01
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fordygti
Seasoned Pro  Location: Walpole St Andrew Registered: 07 Dec 2009 Posts: 1,257 Status: Offline |
Post #2
I my small knowledge of cam belts etc, I'm pretty sure it won't time up every cycle of the engine. I'm someone will confirm. ________________________________________ 98 onyx black 306 Rallye53 Nissan Primastar silver (work horse) 58 black Volvo c30 sport |
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Posted 9th Sep 2013 at 19:03
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jeffers
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 3,702 Status: Offline |
Post #3
Sounds like your bottom pulley has slipped. DO NOT pin up the cams then time the bottom end up believe me it will end in tears! Personally I would source a known good pulley, then pin everything up and change the belt, I wouldn't do the belt without being able to pin everything just my 2p's worth!  ________________________________________ Team Running Engine again!Team Negative Camber! My Budget track engine build thread! Now appearing at a Trackday near you!!  |
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Posted 9th Sep 2013 at 19:26
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mike rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: mold Registered: 03 Sep 2008 Posts: 1,618 Status: Offline |
Post #4
Ok cheers Jeffers.well I got a new pulley coming .so when my new pulley arrives,what the best way to time it up then ? |
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Posted 9th Sep 2013 at 19:30
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jord294
Seasoned Pro  Location: somewhere in north wales Registered: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,102 Status: Offline |
Post #5
Fetch it up to me mate. Or once you have the new pulley just take old one off and fit new one schimples  ________________________________________ FRESHLY RE-FURBISHED GTI BEAMSFITTING AND LOWERING AVAILABLE. ALL AXLES BUILT USING GENUINE PEUGEOT PARTS IF I'M NOT HERE, IT ONLY MEANS ONE THING.... I'M SOMEWHERE ELSE! |
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Posted 9th Sep 2013 at 19:42
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mike rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: mold Registered: 03 Sep 2008 Posts: 1,618 Status: Offline |
Post #6
So if I remove the old pulley, (and not pin it as it out). And fit my new pulley should i assume it should time up spot on? |
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Posted 9th Sep 2013 at 20:25
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ryangti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Pontypool Registered: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,839 Status: Offline |
Post #7
If the cams are pinned when you remove it all then yes a new pulley should theoretically line up. When pinned all the pistons are half way up/down the cylinders so even if you have to move it slightly it won't be a problem.________________________________________ Ryan |
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Posted 9th Sep 2013 at 20:28
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mike rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: mold Registered: 03 Sep 2008 Posts: 1,618 Status: Offline |
Post #8
Just quick question guys, are these vvt? And are they floating crankshaft? |
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Posted 11th Sep 2013 at 18:35
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armzsc6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Crowborough Registered: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 3,445 Status: Offline |
Post #9
No and no. An you don't need to use the crank pulley to time up the bottom end anyway. If your doing it properly then lock the flywheel through the 8mm hole behind the starter motor then disregard what the crank pulley says anyway. ________________________________________ Black power baby! SUUUUUPERCHARGED Seat Leon FR TDI 190BHP 300lbft daily gti-6 killer :p 12x 306's owned so far Cambelts, clutches, service work carried out on All makes and models, Peugeot Citroen / mitsubishi specialist. Pug planet / Citroen Lexia diagnostics / code reads available. |
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Posted 11th Sep 2013 at 18:41
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coskev
Seasoned Pro  Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
Post #10
You can time it up without the pulley,but if your pulley has slipped you need a new one anyway If it comes apart totally it will prob take your cambelt out and knacker your engine  ________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
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Posted 11th Sep 2013 at 19:09
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jeffers
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 3,702 Status: Offline |
Post #11
armzs16 wrote: No and no. An you don't need to use the crank pulley to time up the bottom end anyway. If your doing it properly then lock the flywheel through the 8mm hole behind the starter motor then disregard what the crank pulley says anyway. I could be completely wrong here but I was under the impression our cars didn't have the 8mm hole to time up through the flywheel??  ________________________________________ Team Running Engine again!Team Negative Camber! My Budget track engine build thread! Now appearing at a Trackday near you!! |
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Posted 11th Sep 2013 at 19:27
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armzsc6
Seasoned Pro Location: Crowborough Registered: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 3,445 Status: Offline |
Post #12
You are completely wrong. I can send you a lovely picture of a 6 engine I have the head off at work currently with a proper pug locking tool through said hole locking the flywheel as we speak lol. All pug engines to my knowledge have this petrol and diesel. It's a pain to get to on a 6 engine others are easier. ________________________________________ Black power baby! SUUUUUPERCHARGED Seat Leon FR TDI 190BHP 300lbft daily gti-6 killer :p 12x 306's owned so far Cambelts, clutches, service work carried out on All makes and models, Peugeot Citroen / mitsubishi specialist. Pug planet / Citroen Lexia diagnostics / code reads available. |
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Posted 11th Sep 2013 at 19:34
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jord294
Seasoned Pro Location: somewhere in north wales Registered: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,102 Status: Offline |
Post #13
MikeThe simplest way is, remove your old pulley, fit your alloy one, then rotate till you can line up and lock the cam pulleys and the 8mm hole in bottom pulley is at about 11 o'clock ________________________________________ FRESHLY RE-FURBISHED GTI BEAMSFITTING AND LOWERING AVAILABLE. ALL AXLES BUILT USING GENUINE PEUGEOT PARTS IF I'M NOT HERE, IT ONLY MEANS ONE THING.... I'M SOMEWHERE ELSE! |
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Posted 11th Sep 2013 at 20:34
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jeffers
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 3,702 Status: Offline |
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armzs16 wrote: You are completely wrong. I can send you a lovely picture of a 6 engine I have the head off at work currently with a proper pug locking tool through said hole locking the flywheel as we speak lol. All pug engines to my knowledge have this petrol and diesel. It's a pain to get to on a 6 engine others are easier. Hmmm fair enough, I should look for this on my engine build tomorrow! Doh! ________________________________________ Team Running Engine again!Team Negative Camber! My Budget track engine build thread! Now appearing at a Trackday near you!! |
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Posted 11th Sep 2013 at 20:50
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armzsc6
Seasoned Pro Location: Crowborough Registered: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 3,445 Status: Offline |
Post #15
Lol the problem comes when you fit a lightened flywheel from Rich W like I have as there's no hole in the flywheel to lock with! ________________________________________ Black power baby! SUUUUUPERCHARGED Seat Leon FR TDI 190BHP 300lbft daily gti-6 killer :p 12x 306's owned so far Cambelts, clutches, service work carried out on All makes and models, Peugeot Citroen / mitsubishi specialist. Pug planet / Citroen Lexia diagnostics / code reads available. |
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Posted 12th Sep 2013 at 18:49
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mike rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: mold Registered: 03 Sep 2008 Posts: 1,618 Status: Offline |
Post #16
Do we have to slacken the cams off to allow to get the timing belt on ? |
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Posted 13th Sep 2013 at 12:02
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #17
You will need the slacken the cam pulleys once you have pinned the cams up. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 13th Sep 2013 at 12:42
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mike rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: mold Registered: 03 Sep 2008 Posts: 1,618 Status: Offline |
Post #18
Right i have changed the belt few ,but still have this slight misfire when cold ,i thought it might be because i was a tooth out .but have marked it up and it times up perfect .anyone got any ideas ? I have done a video will put up in a bit |
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Posted 13th Sep 2013 at 13:06
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mike rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: mold Registered: 03 Sep 2008 Posts: 1,618 Status: Offline |
Post #19
I have uploaded video on youtube , but how do I get the link to put it on here? I think I might have found the fault, as I pulled the coil plug off one by one and one plug didnt change note. Have swopped coil pack over so will see how it goes. The only thing I have noticed now is, it is popping a lot more than before is this normal? |
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Posted 13th Sep 2013 at 18:17
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coskev
Seasoned Pro Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
Post #20
No,popping could suggest the timing is out Should run exactly the same as it did before you changed belt ________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
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Posted 13th Sep 2013 at 18:39
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mike rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: mold Registered: 03 Sep 2008 Posts: 1,618 Status: Offline |
Post #21
Even those all the timing holes line up? It use to pop before when coming off the throttle , but it just does it bit more when coming off throttlehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E68D8yJ-As&feature=youtube_gdata_player https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vquxTa4sic&feature=youtube_gdata_player Couple of videos before i changed the coil pack |
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Posted 13th Sep 2013 at 18:59
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rich306
Seasoned Pro  Location: Portsmouth Registered: 09 Aug 2009 Posts: 1,834 Status: Offline |
Post #22
Your videos are coming up as Private mate, can't view them! ________________________________________ Richies Project RallyeElectrical work carried out in Portsmouth jamiek_uk2000 wrote: - Top Tip!!! You'll need to throw money at the car. Not on parts. Just stand near your car and throw loose change at it, I find this increases performance for a short period of time |
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Posted 13th Sep 2013 at 22:25
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