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Takedown

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Well, had a lovely drive today in the turbo, despite the fking clutchproblems, ran into a Audi TT, blasted the doors of of him in 4rd , wanted to shift into 5th and thats where it happened.... didnt go well in 5th, so i kinda overreved in 4rd.

I guess thats what they call the moneyshift, hahaha

Engine is tapping like a mofo now under load, so i think a valve hit the piston or something like that.


Motivation and joy is completely gone now with the car, and im not sure if i should break it for parts of put it in the barn and fix it.

How many work is it do remove the head from a S16? i think i can take it of with manifold & turbo at once.


I spend crazy money of this project and almost everything hasnt gone the way it should, drama car, the moneyshift is i think my own fault or the clutch is a bit to blame.


thx
Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 15:45
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coskev

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Oh dearThumbs down

Can't believe you drove it tbhRoll eyes

With the issues you already had it should not have been used in anger imoNo

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Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 15:49
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Hahaah, i learned when a car doenst do what you want it to do you need to abuse the fck out of it Wink


Time to break the black beast i think, im done with it
Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 15:52
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Cars always cost money, especially with the WW2 fighter aircraft levels of power you were chasing there were always going to be reliability compromises.

Put it in the barn for a couple of weeks, take a rest, then fix it. It is all part of the car-owning experience. If you part it out you would be a) admitting defeat and b ) making a huge loss real. Everyone faces this sort of dilemma at some stage. Stick with it. You've come too far now.

A little mechanical sympathy goes a long way.

Respect to you for going for such an ambitious spec.

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Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 16:01
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buzzbrightyear

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so a decomp plate doesn't work as good as forged pistons after all?
Get it fixed, just a small problem after all that work gone into it.

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Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 16:06
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Takedown

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thx Mik, spec is nothing wrong with, i just mechanically overreved the b**ch.

Ill see if i have the power to pull the head of in the upcoming weeks
Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 16:06
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buzzbrightyear wrote:
so a decomp plate doesn't work as good as forged pistons after all?


They never did work as well as doing it the right way, they're just cheaper.

How the hell can you accidentally select 4th instead of 5th? They're not even on the same plane?! Unsure

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Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 16:33
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buzzbrightyear wrote:
so a decomp plate doesn't work as good as forged pistons after all?
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WTF has that got to do with it?Dunno

He's down with the car as it is,without people trying to start picking/pointless argumentsThumbs up
Presume its due to his thoughts on the SC cars?Roll eyes

I don't think forged pistons would stop it being over revved tbh!Razz

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Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 16:17
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I would of thought logically though using a decomp plate would give considerably better piston/valve clearance and the s16 engine has better tolerances out of the box so I don't see how you've managed that unless you revved it WAY too far.

It'll be a shame to see you break it after the effort that's gone into it, at least pull it apart and find out what has happened before making any serious decisions.

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Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 16:21
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welshpug!

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quite, S16 has massive valve cutouts, are you running more lift @ TDC than std?

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Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 16:27
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coskev wrote:
buzzbrightyear wrote:
so a decomp plate doesn't work as good as forged pistons after all?
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WTF has that got to do with it?Dunno

He's down with the car as it is,without people trying to start picking/pointless argumentsThumbs up
Presume its due to his thoughts on the SC cars?Roll eyes

I don't think forged pistons would stop it being over revved tbh!Razz


Using forged pistons to lower the CR instead of a decomp plate would probably have meant the bottom end would be better able to withstand being over-revved. It comes down to the old classic: fast + reliable + cheap, as long as you only pick 2 of them.

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Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 16:31
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Takedown

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Ill let Marvin have a look, since my speedo isnt working and i was around revlimit 7300 in 4rd gear ready for 5th. I had the windows down, roof open, and the screamer was yelling like a raped pig, so i couldnt really hear what precisely was going on, i thought i lost 5th gear, lol

The engine starts great, runs nice in neutral, just on load it starts tapping.

Ill let the expert Marvin have a look tonight, parts etc isnt the problem, but were kinda done with al the working on the cars lately, hahaha

For the 14th time, im not on decompplate.

And youre right Ryan, im obligated to the rest of the world and myself to see what moneyshifting the good ol S16 does for damage to it.

Good thing is that i didnt have to walk the 20 kms back home, and one more tip, never take a drive in a peugeot without taking your Phone with you Wink
Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 16:34
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24seven wrote:
coskev wrote:
buzzbrightyear wrote:
so a decomp plate doesn't work as good as forged pistons after all?
.


WTF has that got to do with it?Dunno

He's down with the car as it is,without people trying to start picking/pointless argumentsThumbs up
Presume its due to his thoughts on the SC cars?Roll eyes

I don't think forged pistons would stop it being over revved tbh!Razz


Using forged pistons to lower the CR instead of a decomp plate would probably have meant the bottom end would be better able to withstand being over-revved. It comes down to the old classic: fast + reliable + cheap, as long as you only pick 2 of them.


No doubt a forged bottom end would be stronger,
but would it stop him over revving it,and would it stop the pistons bending the valves?No

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Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 16:38
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Ahh, should have read the OP properly. I just assumed his bottom end had gone from the last few posts. Doh

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Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 16:39
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No it wouldnt, even if you had forged pistons from gold, mechanically overreving f**ks up build/stock engines no problem Wink

ill update later on tonight what Marvin thinks of it, one thing car looks nice feeling sorry for itsself in the gras in the garden Big grin
Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 16:41
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24seven wrote:
Ahh, should have read the OP properly. I just assumed his bottom end had gone from the last few posts. Doh


LOL

Takedown wrote:
No it wouldnt, even if you had forged pistons from gold, mechanically overreving f**ks up build/stock engines no problem Wink

ill update later on tonight what Marvin thinks of it, one thing car looks nice feeling sorry for itsself in the gras in the garden Big grin


Fingers crossed for youThumbs up
It is a hell of a car and would be a shame to bin the projectSad

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Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 16:47
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You can't break it now, just stick it in the shed for a few weeks and come back to it when you are in the mood. Smile

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Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 16:51
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thx kev





Already covered in birds**t again.... Thumbs up
Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 17:05
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coskev wrote:
buzzbrightyear wrote:
so a decomp plate doesn't work as good as forged pistons after all?
.


WTF has that got to do with it?Dunno

He's down with the car as it is,without people trying to start picking/pointless argumentsThumbs up
Presume its due to his thoughts on the SC cars?Roll eyes

I don't think forged pistons would stop it being over revved tbh!Razz


No wasn't been funny maybe I worded it badly, as for his views on supercharger vs turbo, I know what I'd have given the choice and I'd be getting this f**ker running, we all know turbo=win

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Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 19:08
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love it Love

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Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 19:25
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Well be fixing it for now, will have a look into it next week, tomorrow Nurburgring time! ole!


I think it looks a lot better on the ProRace 3, maybe ill swap the R888 onto the 3s, im not sure.

Need to get it fixed first Wink

will update in my projectpage

thx guys

Posted 2nd Aug 2013 at 20:59
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