Post #1
Are there any lower ratio final drives/diffs from the BE family that will fit straight into the 6 speed box? i feel the 6 speed unit is a little tall geared when pulling out of a corner at lower revs.
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 JWP EFi
Turbo Legend!  Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
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 Posted 24th Mar 2013 at 23:18
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jamiek_uk2000
Seasoned Pro  Location: Llanelli Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,925 Status: Offline |
Post #2
IIRC the BE3 is used on the 106 (later models?) ,206,306 and some 406. I would have thought that the 106/206 would have a lower final drive but not sure, trying to find out some charts via Google now________________________________________ 205 GTi Red - G939 RTU - Died!306 GTi 6 Diablo - Being resurrected! Project Thread Looking for: VTS P1 Rack PR1.2 16" |
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Posted 24th Mar 2013 at 23:28
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bigbadbowen
Seasoned Pro  Location: Winchester Registered: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 13,752 Status: Offline |
Post #3
You need to change the crown and pinion if you want to change the final drive as far as I understand it ? |
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Posted 24th Mar 2013 at 23:31
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #4
XU equipped 306's certainly don't share the chocolate spec 106 running gear! |
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Posted 24th Mar 2013 at 23:33
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Rich E
Forum Admin Location: Hertfordshire Registered: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 7,757 Status: Offline |
Post #5
The 6 speed shaft is longer though so there are no cheap options for swapping the final drive. The ones from the 5 speed boxes don't fit.There are a few options around, but none of them cheap. Pug1Off do a 4.8 final drive kit for £900, for example. ________________________________________ Rich |
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Posted 24th Mar 2013 at 23:35
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #6
bigbadbowen wrote: You need to change the crown and pinion if you want to change the final drive as far as I understand it ? whats involved in doing this? i must admit, iv'e never done much in the way of stripping/altering gearboxes |
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Posted 24th Mar 2013 at 23:35
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
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Rich E wrote: The 6 speed shaft is longer though so there are no cheap options for swapping the final drive. The ones from the 5 speed boxes don't fit. There are a few options around, but none of them cheap. Pug1Off do a 4.8 final drive kit for £900, for example. 13 inch wheels it is then  |
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Posted 24th Mar 2013 at 23:37
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jamiek_uk2000
Seasoned Pro Location: Llanelli Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,925 Status: Offline |
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T99PUG wrote: XU equipped 306's certainly don't share the chocolate spec 106 running gear! I meant to mention that it would be the GTi of each version (except for the 406, not sure which ones of the 406) ________________________________________ 205 GTi Red - G939 RTU - Died!306 GTi 6 Diablo - Being resurrected! Project Thread Looking for: VTS P1 Rack PR1.2 16" |
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Posted 24th Mar 2013 at 23:39
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Rich E
Forum Admin Location: Hertfordshire Registered: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 7,757 Status: Offline |
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jamiek_uk2000 wrote: T99PUG wrote: XU equipped 306's certainly don't share the chocolate spec 106 running gear! I meant to mention that it would be the GTi of each version (except for the 406, not sure which ones of the 406) Nope. As per my post above, the final drive parts from the 5 speed boxes cannot be used in the 6 speed boxes. ________________________________________ Rich |
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Posted 24th Mar 2013 at 23:49
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jamiek_uk2000
Seasoned Pro Location: Llanelli Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,925 Status: Offline |
Post #10
Ah yeah, the BE3/6 is different to the rest. I should really read things before I post.VTS box and then you've got plenty of options, or 1k for a Pug1off final drive ________________________________________ 205 GTi Red - G939 RTU - Died!306 GTi 6 Diablo - Being resurrected! Project Thread Looking for: VTS P1 Rack PR1.2 16" |
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Posted 24th Mar 2013 at 23:52
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #11
BE3/6 is great once your in the revs through the fast twisty bits but as said, pulling out of a corner in say 2nd at ~ 2000 rpm it takes foreeeever to pick its legs up |
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Posted 24th Mar 2013 at 23:59
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jamiek_uk2000
Seasoned Pro Location: Llanelli Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,925 Status: Offline |
Post #12
I've not driven a 306 on a VTS box, but I've driven a few VTS and I rather the GTi6 box. Like you say it is great through the revs, but being 6 speed doesn't mean that the engine is howling at motorway speeds. My mate had a Fiesta ST which was a close ratio 5 speed and it was 4.5k at 80mph. Cost an absolute fortune on the motorway________________________________________ 205 GTi Red - G939 RTU - Died!306 GTi 6 Diablo - Being resurrected! Project Thread Looking for: VTS P1 Rack PR1.2 16" |
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Posted 25th Mar 2013 at 00:06
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #13
Change down ....________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 25th Mar 2013 at 08:14
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armzsc6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Crowborough Registered: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 3,445 Status: Offline |
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To revive an old thread I've just been reading the latest edition of PFC magazine and it states in there that the BE3/6 box in a rallye has a slightly lower final drive than in a 6.....Never heard of that is it bulls**t? ________________________________________ Black power baby! SUUUUUPERCHARGED Seat Leon FR TDI 190BHP 300lbft daily gti-6 killer :p 12x 306's owned so far Cambelts, clutches, service work carried out on All makes and models, Peugeot Citroen / mitsubishi specialist. Pug planet / Citroen Lexia diagnostics / code reads available. |
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Posted 29th May 2014 at 10:36
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
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Not quite bulls**t, but misinformed.They changed the final drive from 19x75 to 19x77 on RP 07430 (March 13, 1997) That was fairly early on in Phase2, going from 3.95-1 to 4.05-1, probably to gee them up a bit when they realised they weighed a little more than a Phase1. I would take anything written in PFC on the 306 with a large truckload of salt TBH. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 29th May 2014 at 11:01
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armzsc6
Seasoned Pro Location: Crowborough Registered: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 3,445 Status: Offline |
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I thought as much, and yeh they know about as much as my 2 year old a lot of the time lol.Wonder which mine has to be honest not that there's much difference.... Would have been one of the first Phase 2 cars other than earlier registered demo ones as it's first reg date was 1st August 1997 ________________________________________ Black power baby! SUUUUUPERCHARGED Seat Leon FR TDI 190BHP 300lbft daily gti-6 killer :p 12x 306's owned so far Cambelts, clutches, service work carried out on All makes and models, Peugeot Citroen / mitsubishi specialist. Pug planet / Citroen Lexia diagnostics / code reads available. |
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Posted 3rd Jun 2014 at 07:34
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #17
look at the RP number.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 3rd Jun 2014 at 10:26
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro  Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: Not quite bulls**t, but misinformed. They changed the final drive from 19x75 to 19x77 on RP 07430 (March 13, 1997) That was fairly early on in Phase2, going from 3.95-1 to 4.05-1, probably to gee them up a bit when they realised they weighed a little more than a Phase1. I would take anything written in PFC on the 306 with a large truckload of salt TBH. who writes the 306 stuff? is it someone we know?  ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 3rd Jun 2014 at 10:51
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
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I have no idea, if it was someone known you'd think they would do their research I don't read it any more as its always full of glaring errors and not worth the money, PPC is going the same way too it seems. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 3rd Jun 2014 at 11:08
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mik
Seasoned Pro  Location: Kent Registered: 17 Feb 2011 Posts: 2,100 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: That was fairly early on in Phase2, going from 3.95-1 to 4.05-1, probably to gee them up a bit when they realised they weighed a little more than a Phase1. So did we ever get to the bottom of why the P1 is allegedly the lightest variant (apparently lighter even than the Rallye)? There was a thread last year where the question was asked but was only answered by banter but people keep quoting it as a fact. Not sure what difference there is apart from options such as sunroof, air con, etc, surely the P1 bumpers and grille can't account for much. Would a P1 with a sunroof really be lighter than a Rallye without? ________________________________________ Cherry Rallye SOLD |
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Posted 3rd Jun 2014 at 23:25
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dcc
Senior User  Location: Wales Registered: 24 Feb 2009 Posts: 502 Status: Offline |
Post #21
we know of a p1 with sub 1000kg's, with full weld in cage  ________________________________________ 205 GTIXsara HDI |
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Posted 3rd Jun 2014 at 23:31
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RetroPug
Seasoned Pro  Location: Leicestershire Registered: 15 Jan 2013 Posts: 2,473 Status: Offline |
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mik wrote: welshpug! wrote: That was fairly early on in Phase2, going from 3.95-1 to 4.05-1, probably to gee them up a bit when they realised they weighed a little more than a Phase1. So did we ever get to the bottom of why the P1 is allegedly the lightest variant (apparently lighter even than the Rallye)? There was a thread last year where the question was asked but was only answered by banter but people keep quoting it as a fact. Not sure what difference there is apart from options such as sunroof, air con, etc, surely the P1 bumpers and grille can't account for much. Would a P1 with a sunroof really be lighter than a Rallye without? A ph.1 without a sunroof has the lack of options that a rallye has, but p1 doorcards are way thinner than later phases for a start, and then bumpers do have less meat to them. Possibly less sound damping material? My ph.1 is way worse for road noise than my ph.2 was. ________________________________________ 61k miles Ph.1 Diablo '6 Project Thread |
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Posted 4th Jun 2014 at 00:33
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