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| Author | Subject: Basic engine rebuild / freshen up ? |
 Moonstone6
Regular  Location: Lichfield Registered: 11 Apr 2012 Posts: 268 Status: Offline |
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Hi fellas i recently won the engine off ebay for £41  which had been removed due to oil in the water i am going to rebuild it and replace the rings,bearings bolts n seals n belts....lick of paint and pop it in mine  is this a good idea just looking for a freshen up Where is the best place to get the parts from ? And any ideas what causes the oil in the water im hoping its just the exchange cooler @ the oil filter (common fault on the fords) what are your thought  |
 Posted 11th Dec 2012 at 20:41
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dcc
Senior User  Location: Wales Registered: 24 Feb 2009 Posts: 502 Status: Offline |
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Peugeot... and headgasket failure.________________________________________ 205 GTIXsara HDI |
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Posted 11th Dec 2012 at 20:47
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rob_humphrey
Regular  Location: St Austell Registered: 16 Sep 2011 Posts: 448 Status: Offline |
Post #3
HG Failure usually  ________________________________________ Team MoonstoneTeam Working Aircon |
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Posted 11th Dec 2012 at 20:47
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Moonstone6
Regular Location: Lichfield Registered: 11 Apr 2012 Posts: 268 Status: Offline |
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dcc wrote: perfect in need of a skim aswell then Peugeot... and headgasket failure. |
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Posted 11th Dec 2012 at 20:51
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #5
Set aside at least £500 for doing it properly. By the time you've got gaskets, head bolts, sealants, oils, fluids, rings, a head skim, valve stem oil seals, belts, water pump etc. Plus any special tools you may need for the job.________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 11th Dec 2012 at 20:53
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Moonstone6
Regular Location: Lichfield Registered: 11 Apr 2012 Posts: 268 Status: Offline |
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daveyboy wrote: yes iv already got that covered just wondering weather crank will need grinding n polishing Set aside at least £500 for doing it properly. By the time you've got gaskets, head bolts, sealants, oils, fluids, rings, a head skim, valve stem oil seals, belts, water pump etc. Plus any special tools you may need for the job. |
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Posted 11th Dec 2012 at 21:27
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend!  Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #7
at least get it polished, approx £40 for engineering firm to do it |
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Posted 11th Dec 2012 at 21:28
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swiftyboi006
Seasoned Pro  Location: Maidenhead Registered: 12 Apr 2010 Posts: 2,110 Status: Offline |
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Not really any such thing as a basic engine rebuild  ________________________________________ cherry p1.....SOLD (regreting this)blaze p2.....why did i buy this SOLD Black p3  |
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Posted 11th Dec 2012 at 21:30
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #9
depends how bad it is to start with |
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Posted 11th Dec 2012 at 21:31
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coskev
Seasoned Pro  Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
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Do you know the mileage it's done?Bore condition will make a massive difference to your costs, rings and hone being the cheapest, all the way to a full re-bore and over size pistons.you won't know untill it's stripped Make sure you get the valve guides checked when the head is stripped,mine needed 8 exhaust valve guides due to wear. ________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
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Posted 11th Dec 2012 at 23:05
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #11
mileage isnt too much of an issue, within reason. its more down to the maintenanceas coskev said, you could get away with a light hone and new rings, look for wear ridge at top of bore |
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Posted 11th Dec 2012 at 23:08
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #12
also the old bearing shells will give a good indication of condition, look for 'taper' wear and scoreswhich will indicate a neglected engine |
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Posted 11th Dec 2012 at 23:11
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Moonstone6
Regular Location: Lichfield Registered: 11 Apr 2012 Posts: 268 Status: Offline |
Post #13
coskev wrote: yea mate this is it Ionly paid £41 for it all so if it's b, e, r...... il just sell manifold n pas pump n alternator n get my 40 nicker back Do you know the mileage it's done? Bore condition will make a massive difference to your costs, rings and hone being the cheapest, all the way to a full re-bore and over size pistons.you won't know untill it's stripped Make sure you get the valve guides checked when the head is stripped,mine needed 8 exhaust valve guides due to wear. |
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Posted 12th Dec 2012 at 14:24
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Moonstone6
Regular Location: Lichfield Registered: 11 Apr 2012 Posts: 268 Status: Offline |
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T99PUG wrote: absolutely spot on mate all about the maintenance and has it been thrashed from cold every day on the same oil for the last 10 years mileage isnt too much of an issue, within reason. its more down to the maintenance as coskev said, you could get away with a light hone and new rings, look for wear ridge at top of bore  |
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Posted 12th Dec 2012 at 14:28
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Moonstone6
Regular Location: Lichfield Registered: 11 Apr 2012 Posts: 268 Status: Offline |
Post #15
swiftyboi006 wrote: I hope there is my mate had an old nova a few years back smoking its arse off n drinking oil..... he honed bores and replaced rings seals n bearings and it never used another drop of oil and it was nippy again Not really any such thing as a basic engine rebuild |
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Posted 12th Dec 2012 at 14:34
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gnrlee
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 8,878 Status: Offline |
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Pugjim pretty much did 90% of the work on mine but would love to do it again! bit of a twat getting the piston's back in without the piston rings wanting to pop back out,..  ________________________________________ Proud Member of the ASTOR Owners Club |
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Posted 12th Dec 2012 at 15:54
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #17
piece of cake if have a piston ring compressor |
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Posted 12th Dec 2012 at 22:00
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hovis16
Seasoned Pro  Location: Reading/parts for sale Registered: 21 Nov 2008 Posts: 4,297 Status: Offline |
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i loved building mine with paul. its great fun but as t99pug said check the bearings and crank. better still just replace the bearings. these engines are known for the bottom end going after a head rebuild.________________________________________ Ph2 Black GTI 6!EX black 6 owner But now a Black caged rallye owner Hunting for Go faster bits! SEARCH click here |
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Posted 13th Dec 2012 at 07:59
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720puggti
Seasoned Pro  Location: West London Registered: 18 Jan 2009 Posts: 1,069 Status: Offline |
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I've done a rebuild and it was a lot of fun, in fact I'd consider it my forte when it comes to mechanics. As a result I can promise you'll spend more than you think, but when the engine starts you'll feel immensely satisfied. I would change rings and big end bearings and main bearings depending on condition. Also, do a proper job on the head smoothing as much of the rough casting out and getting rid of all the carbon. I find mild acidic floor cleaner is best for cleaning all the internal components, mine came up looking like new Look here: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=102699 My engine suffered the same failure as the one you've just bought and I believe it's still running to this day after I finished with it; I fit it to someone's rallye. I'm sure you'll have fun bringing it back to life  ________________________________________ Deepak Gohil |
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Posted 13th Dec 2012 at 08:25
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720puggti
Seasoned Pro Location: West London Registered: 18 Jan 2009 Posts: 1,069 Status: Offline |
Post #20
Oh, also, soak everything in oil; except for the the outside of the shell bearing.And I mean SOAK! ________________________________________ Deepak Gohil |
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Posted 13th Dec 2012 at 08:27
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Moonstone6
Regular Location: Lichfield Registered: 11 Apr 2012 Posts: 268 Status: Offline |
Post #21
720puggti wrote: I've done a rebuild and it was a lot of fun, in fact I'd consider it my forte when it comes to mechanics. As a result I can promise you'll spend more than you think, but when the engine starts you'll feel immensely satisfied. I would change rings and big end bearings and main bearings depending on condition. Also, do a proper job on the head smoothing as much of the rough casting out and getting rid of all the carbon. I find mild acidic floor cleaner is best for cleaning all the internal components, mine came up looking like new Look here: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=102699 My engine suffered the same failure as the one you've just bought and I believe it's still running to this day after I finished with it; I fit it to someone's rallye. I'm sure you'll have fun bringing it back to life Thanks mate very useful advise yes I want to De carbon and polish the inlets and outlets and i will replace the bearings throughout I can't wait |
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Posted 13th Dec 2012 at 10:37
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #22
Don't polish the inlets.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 13th Dec 2012 at 14:30
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Moonstone6
Regular Location: Lichfield Registered: 11 Apr 2012 Posts: 268 Status: Offline |
Post #23
welshpug! wrote: why dude? Don't polish the inlets. |
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Posted 13th Dec 2012 at 14:33
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #24
no need, if anything you will make flow worse, leave it to the pro's ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 13th Dec 2012 at 15:11
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
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Agreed, slightly rough ports give the incoming air slight tubulence which mixes with the fuel better in the combustion chamber. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 13th Dec 2012 at 15:20
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