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Post #51

coskev wrote:

And anyone that has 'exhaust system changes' on there insurance really needs to double check they are covered for the cat being removed Yes

Insurance companies are never going to insure you for that as it's illegal. LOL

Also, most decats say "Not for road use" on them, so how would an insurance company insure you with one when the vehicle is to be used on the road?

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Posted 24th Nov 2012 at 18:44

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Post #52

Still havent decided what to do about this really.
Probably will have to be a standard cat with no actual cat in it for the road i'd say :p
With the normal one for mot.

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Posted 24th Nov 2012 at 22:33

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Eliotrw - That's not a bad plan actually, at least it will appear legal. Yes

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Posted 25th Nov 2012 at 08:21

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stan_306gti6 wrote:

coskev wrote:

And anyone that has 'exhaust system changes' on there insurance really needs to double check they are covered for the cat being removed Yes

Insurance companies are never going to insure you for that as it's illegal. LOL

Also, most decats say "Not for road use" on them, so how would an insurance company insure you with one when the vehicle is to be used on the road?

Exactly,so armzs16 is not covered for no cat Roll eyes

he seems to think by stating its a custom exhaust from manifold back that he does not need a cat and is still fully insured

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Posted 25th Nov 2012 at 12:30

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Eliotrw - That's not a bad plan actually, at least it will appear legal. Yes

Yeah i noticed the magnex group n exhaust has a dummy cat too. Do might get that and cut it short so it can be mated to another exhaust
Atleast it would be stainless too

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Posted 25th Nov 2012 at 12:40

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Post #56

well here's my two pennies

i overtook (in the overtaking lane) an unmarked police officer just before i stacked it. i had had a decat fitted 2 days prior.

the excessive noise more than likely skewed his perception as to how many beans i was actually giving it.

from that moment on i figured decats are the work of the devil and should be avoided at all costs, all they do is draw unwanted attention and make you look/sound like a boy racer with a bean can fart machine.

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Posted 25th Nov 2012 at 12:55

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They are indeed the work of the Devil, that's why I have a Devil Decat on my car. Yes

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Posted 25th Nov 2012 at 16:12

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When I had a decat, I phoned Brentacre to tell them and they said "ok then". Greenlight asked if it would pass an MOT when I said no, they said I'd need a cat to get insured. So I had to frantically find somewhere to fut a sports cat at short notice.

The problem with SC-6s is that they seem to knacker cats. I got through 2 sports cats, I also know of at least one other person who has had a sports cat fail on an SC-6.

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Posted 25th Nov 2012 at 18:43

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^ I'm insured with Brentacre and make a point of listing every item so instead of saying full system I say manifold, decat, centre section and back box, they never say anything and the guys st Brentacre seem go know stuff about cars!
Flux was the same but I f**king hate them w**ker arsehole fudge packing ring stinging mother f**kers!!

Posted 25th Nov 2012 at 23:21

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When I had a decat, I phoned Brentacre to tell them and they said "ok then". Greenlight asked if it would pass an MOT when I said no, they said I'd need a cat to get insured.

See, I think this is the *actual* point here.

Some cars will pass an MOT with a decat fitted, and therefore not having one would not deem them illegal. Others (the '6' included) will not. Therefore, for an insurance company they will look at if the vehicle can pass a test and if so, then it's road legal and they will insure you.

However....

The law has now changed and it is an MOT fail not to have a CAT present on the vehicle when it was there from the factory. Due to this, insurance companies will now know that decatting a vehicle will equal an instant fail and therefore the car is now not road legal. For this reason I can't see insurer's now or in the future contemplating insuring decat use.

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Posted 26th Nov 2012 at 07:20

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If I'm therefore not insured because my car won't pass an mot does that mean anyone running hid's in headlamps not designed for them with washer jets is uninsured as well as its an mot fail and a modification?

Or if you had a knackered bottom ball joint that fell out causing you o loose control of the vehicle and crash would you not be covered evade it wouldn't pass an mot?

Unless they ask im not gonna tell them to be honest I've declared every single item on the car including makes and models and they know the bhp etc. My car has a valid mot so I don't see the problem. Many cars with cats fail the emissions by more than mine would with a decat...

At the end of the day it's a risk I'm taking as are many many other people.

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Posted 26th Nov 2012 at 15:54

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Exactly that mate, it's all down to personal risk and whether or not you want to do it. Yes

I personally don't think a decat is a problem, although I suppose it is possible to get busted for having it and then you're screwed. So yes, basically like you say, you make your choice and take the risk. Smile

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Posted 26th Nov 2012 at 16:48

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Simple answer - don't bother. You don't gain a thing, except for a flat spot in the mid range and nasty chavvy rasping sound that's more akin to something having come loose inside one of the silencers than a performance exhaust. The best thing I've done to my '6 so far is put a cat back on!

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Posted 26th Nov 2012 at 18:19

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24seven wrote:

This is true to a point, but it's a whole different ballgame when you're boosted. Yes

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Posted 26th Nov 2012 at 18:58

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stan_306gti6 wrote:

24seven wrote:

This is true to a point, but it's a whole different ballgame when you're boosted. Yes

Fair enough, you might not lose the mid range torque, but you'll still have every other wonderful feature on top of being illegal and not MOT passable. Smile

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Posted 26th Nov 2012 at 21:39

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I see what your saying 24 but going buy peoples experiences its decat or change cats just as often as you would swap it out for mot anyway..

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Posted 26th Nov 2012 at 22:16

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eliotrw wrote:

I see what your saying 24 but going buy peoples experiences its decat or change cats just as often as you would swap it out for mot anyway..

This is fairly accurate to be honest, although I do agree with 24, you do lose a noticable chunk of torque in the mid-range although with the power I'm running it more than makes up for it. Yes

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Posted 26th Nov 2012 at 22:26

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Deff gives noticeable midrange flat spot and looses drive ability but can't say I aggree with the rasping depends on the exhaust mine doesn't rasp at all get nothing but complements on how it sounds.
Was seriously thinkin about putting the cat back on before I went boosted though.

Now it spits out flames and pops and bangs like a goodun there's no way i'd put one back on haha

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Posted 27th Nov 2012 at 00:16

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Yes, the popping and banging of a decat is rather addictive...especially when it's attached to a straight through centre section and a 4" Magnex backbox. Devil

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Posted 27th Nov 2012 at 06:27

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