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| Author | Subject: Road noise: solid rear beam mounts vs RichW's roller bearin |
 karoshi
Junior User  Location: Sydney Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 60 Status: Offline |
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Hi all,I have Rich's roller bearing front wishbone bushes , love em! Increased road noise, yes, dash rattles, yes. Wouldn't have em' off. So a rear beam rebuild is on the cards and I'm wondering about the solid rear beam mounts for road noise. Is the increase in road noise more when solid rear mounts go on or roller bearings? ________________________________________ CheersBill |
 Posted 6th Aug 2012 at 11:17
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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I don't think road noise increased much with either, thats more down to tyre choice than anything. High frequency vibration and harshness is slightly increased, but noise is'nt.________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 6th Aug 2012 at 11:40
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karoshi
Junior User Location: Sydney Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 60 Status: Offline |
Post #3
Better description probably. When I hit a pothole now it sounds like a small incendiary. Don't hit potholes anymore... ________________________________________ CheersBill |
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Posted 6th Aug 2012 at 12:17
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karoshi
Junior User Location: Sydney Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 60 Status: Offline |
Post #4
Question still stands. Which one makes the bigger difference?________________________________________ CheersBill |
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Posted 6th Aug 2012 at 12:27
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro  Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #5
Going off what I've read thus far, More people seem to complain about the roller bearings more than they do with the solid mounts.I think you will find almost "Most" on here will have solid mounts. Not as many seem to have the bushes in comparison but I would say more seem to think they are rough. I guess it could be, that if you like, the roller bushes would be one of the first parts of the suspension to react to a bump. In contrast the solid rear mounts are after the Torsion bars and shocks, so you should only really get extra noise rather than harshness ??? As they bolt directly to the shell? ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 6th Aug 2012 at 12:36
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7057sam
Seasoned Pro  Location: Stowmarket,Suffolk Registered: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 2,080 Status: Offline |
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Out of intersted how harsh do the rear mounts make it ride.As iv already pretty back breaking ride .________________________________________ Rallye build: 11 November 1998 - a WednesdayTeam rallye,built for track ----Click this if you like rallyes Rallye dead  Secret Team Astor... |
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Posted 6th Aug 2012 at 12:44
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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They make virtually no diffenece to the vertical movement of the suspension so harshness from the rear is more attributable to spring/damper spec and tyre profile and pressures, 55 profiles suck up most stutter bumps with ease, but many are now on 50 ro 45 profile often on bigger wheels too, which is what I think harms ride quality more.________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 6th Aug 2012 at 12:54
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aaron6
Seasoned Pro  Location: On the sofa in maidstone Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 5,840 Status: Offline |
Post #8
They make next to no noise difference. But, if you are happy with how your 6 handles, don't change them. I gone back to rubber mounts, I prefer them. Many do prefer solid mounts though.  ________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
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Posted 6th Aug 2012 at 13:21
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rikky
🦔 Location: cheshire Registered: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 26,793 Status: Offline |
Post #9
no noise increase but does give you the ability to take roundabouts at 110mph rather than the 90mph with standard mounts________________________________________ 306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3) winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club] |
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Posted 6th Aug 2012 at 14:06
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #10
Heheh.I like the official 306gti6.com rating system of roundabout speed in MPH increase per modification. There needs to be a FAQ detailing the increase in mphs per modification me thinks  ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 6th Aug 2012 at 14:12
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coskev
Seasoned Pro  Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
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karoshi wrote: Question still stands. Which one makes the bigger difference? roller bearing wb's by along way  solid rear mounts transmit more brake noise into my car with grooved discs,but improve handling alot,and hardly any extra hatshness imo  ________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
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Posted 6th Aug 2012 at 14:22
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karoshi
Junior User Location: Sydney Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 60 Status: Offline |
Post #12
There are three roundabouts on the way to work. That's a 2 minute saving each day!Sounds like I should order some solids. ________________________________________ CheersBill |
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Posted 6th Aug 2012 at 14:36
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aaron6
Seasoned Pro Location: On the sofa in maidstone Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 5,840 Status: Offline |
Post #13
I can drive as quick on standard mounts, just find it turns in harder on passive mounts. They ain't everyones cup of tea though. Once your used to the "loose" feeling you'll have no problems.  ________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
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Posted 6th Aug 2012 at 15:12
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karoshi
Junior User Location: Sydney Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 60 Status: Offline |
Post #14
Familiar with the loose feeling, the suspension is 280 000 Km's. 175 000 ish miles. Gonna try tight and change back if need be. ________________________________________ CheersBill |
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Posted 6th Aug 2012 at 21:26
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aaron6
Seasoned Pro Location: On the sofa in maidstone Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 5,840 Status: Offline |
Post #15
Fair enough, the solids do make the car more predictable and easier to drive, but its not as fun imo. ________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
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Posted 7th Aug 2012 at 06:09
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #16
I didn't notice any increased road noise when I fitted mine.  However, my car is already pretty noisy with the exhaust system, so it would have been difficult to tell.  I am a huge fan of the solid mounts, they make the car very predictable and as Rikky says roundabout/cornering speeds are better because of this... Another huge benefit to them is that the LOOS disappears making the rear end of the car much more stable in my opinion. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 7th Aug 2012 at 10:49
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #17
My LOOS is still there, and still fun to use  ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 7th Aug 2012 at 13:30
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #18
Just looked at the modification for your car phillipm:O Holy jeez balls. Why doesnt it have a big **** engine in it. Sounds pretty ultimate tbh ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 7th Aug 2012 at 13:38
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prism7guy
Seasoned Pro  Location: DoncastAAAAARGH Registered: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 4,639 Status: Offline |
Post #19
I still get plenty of LOOS with solid mounts. My roll cage has helped bring a lot of road noise into the car now, but it gets drowned out with the wind noise and exhaust noise, and my slow decline into total deafness with each journey. ________________________________________ Goldie the track car. |
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Posted 7th Aug 2012 at 19:40
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
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eliotrw wrote: Just looked at the modification for your car phillipm :O Holy jeez balls. Why doesnt it have a big **** engine in it. Sounds pretty ultimate tbh Nah, fookloads left yet, new rear suspension soon. Might be something to do with it being welded to the shell everywhere Steve ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 7th Aug 2012 at 20:05
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prism7guy
Seasoned Pro Location: DoncastAAAAARGH Registered: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 4,639 Status: Offline |
Post #21
I like the sound of these new benaner track rods, might have to get some made up.   ________________________________________ Goldie the track car. |
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Posted 7th Aug 2012 at 20:06
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #22
They're one offs, it's a b**ch to do ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 7th Aug 2012 at 20:22
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #23
Dear sir phillipm, Sell more s**t please, Thanks, Yours sincerly The entire 306gti6 community ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 7th Aug 2012 at 21:55
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karoshi
Junior User Location: Sydney Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 60 Status: Offline |
Post #24
eliotrw wrote: Dear sir phillipm, Sell more s**t please, Thanks, Yours sincerly The entire 306gti6 community Concur. ________________________________________ CheersBill |
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Posted 8th Aug 2012 at 03:28
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #25
eliotrw wrote: Dear sir phillipm, Sell more s**t please, Thanks, Yours sincerly The entire 306gti6 community I must admit, considering that no-one really develops parts for these cars nowadays Phil's doing a good job of keeping the R&D alive for more potential trick bits in the future. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 8th Aug 2012 at 09:02
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