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ryangti6

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Post #26
Could a blocked fuel filter or a lazy fuel pump be causing these issue's? I'm thinking if it could be making it run lean on tickover and that's why the Lambda is throwing up a fault.

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Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 17:55
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i changed the fuel filter just in case.

you really dont notice it at all giving it the beans. ive never driven another one so cant really say its down on power or not but certainly doesnt feel to be lacking.

defo another avenue to explore. are there any tell tale signs of a fuel pump giving up?
Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 18:06
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Post #28
If you can read fault codes surely you can look at the data list and see the output of the lambda sensor to the ecu?

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Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 19:02
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i got a friendly garage to hook it up for me and apparently the lambda reading is doing what it should be
Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 19:12
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Doing what it should be at idle and fast idle and showing rich on WOT and lean on over run?

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Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 19:32
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according to someone i spoke to at a peugeot place, the lambda reading is doing as it should. i dont really understand it tbh, all i saw was a number fluctuating wildly between 0 and 700 just at idle and when reved.

if anything its rich on idle
Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 20:16
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Post #32
Yeh that about rite. Basically 0 is rich 750 is lean ( or other way round) all an oxygen sensor does is constantly tell the ecu the fueling is rich weak rich weak so it keeps the air fuel ratio correct. The ecu ignores the oxygen sensor when you boot it as a richer mixture is required and also ignores when you are coasting or take your foot of while revs drop as the mixture is lean then. Sounds like it's working ok then. Strange one....

My black 6 used to keep putting up code 22 fuel air mixture adaptation which is down to lambda not being set up properly. You can do this on pug planet 2000 software. May be worth trying that. But as others have said swap ecu's with someone. If you have any mates with a 6 the sand phase you don't need an unlocked ecu just have to swap the immobiliser ecu and pickup ring as well then will work.

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Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 20:25
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Post #33
gottcha, understand it a bit better now. sooo much easier with diesels lol.

the thing is, i dont know anyone else with a 6, im a bit of a "wildcard" because most of my mates are on bikes/driving jap cars, i decided to be different :p

Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 22:07
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ok so ive just nipped up tesco....got in the car to come back, turned key to second click and while it was priming it started making a strange sorta gurgling noise. still started fine. do you think it could be related to whats going on? i havent noticed it before, but doesnt mean it wasnt there
Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 23:52
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Post #35
That will be the fuel pump making the gargling noise more than likely.

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  • Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 23:54
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    Post #36
    normal? or potential sign of it about to die?
    Posted 1st Aug 2012 at 23:55
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    Post #37
    That gargling sound is fairly normal in most '6's just before they start, I wouldn't worry about it. Smile

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    Posted 2nd Aug 2012 at 12:19
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    Post #38
    ive been on the phone to someone who has just come back from a holiday,he says knows these cars.

    he said he had one in a little while ago and it turned out to be a failing crank position sensor. difference being if it fails completely it causes non starting issues, but if its just failing/weak/covered in crap it can cause what im experiencing.

    ive taken mine off completely and cleaned it off, it had a really thick layer of crud on it so ive cleaned it off, its just started hammering it down so ive disconnected the battery to let the ecu reset while im having a brewski waiting for the rain to slow down a bit Big grin

    how strong should the magnet be?

    Posted 2nd Aug 2012 at 14:41
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    Fingers crossed

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    Post #40
    just need to work out how strong the magnet should be because if its gone il just replace it
    Posted 2nd Aug 2012 at 14:53
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    Post #41
    maybe some progress here....i stuck it back on after a good clean...no difference, but the guy was adamant that its the crank sensor. i measured resistance according to the diagram and its slightly over, measured at 405 ohm, the diagram says between 300 and 400 so factoring in accuracy ect its right at the top end if its even within range.

    got a new one waiting to go on....rain and hot engine = cant work too well Sad
    Posted 2nd Aug 2012 at 17:17
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    in...ecu reset...no joy...back to square 1 Sad
    Posted 2nd Aug 2012 at 19:02
    ryangti6

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    Post #43
    I don't know how you can test a fuel pump but to me unless the car is low on fuel I wouldn't describe the pump priming as a gargling noise, its more of a buzzing noise I would say.

    With all you've checked and change I can't see much else that could cause your problem. It's definitely a strange one though.

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    Posted 2nd Aug 2012 at 19:34
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    Post #44
    its getting plugged in again tomorrow using a snap on bit of kit. its not low on fuel at all. was on the light when i got it but been on at least 1/4 tank since i got it.

    ive used the car a fair bit today and the pump just did the usual priming noise so maybe just a one off
    Posted 2nd Aug 2012 at 19:44
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    Post #45
    tried ecu, nothing. fuel pump is taking noticeably longer to prime too. i also disconnected the tps and it made no difference at all to how the car drove, should it?
    Posted 5th Aug 2012 at 14:16
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    Post #46
    BlackSix wrote:
    i also disconnected the tps and it made no difference at all to how the car drove, should it?


    This is the case, if I remember correctly it was Buzzbrightyear who drove around for ages without realising his was unplugged and there was no difference to the way it drove. LOL

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    Posted 5th Aug 2012 at 14:41
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    Post #47
    thats that theory out the window then :p

    the fuel pump took longer to prime this morning than usual. and each time afterwards.

    the car was stuttery at constant speed on the way home too at constant speed holding low throttle.
    Posted 5th Aug 2012 at 14:43
    BlackSix

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    Post #48
    as other thread so all info is in one place...

    looks like ive got another fault/linked.

    was accelerating on an A road earlier, and lost power. throttle was doing nothing. put the clutch in and started coasting, steering into the curb thinking it had died, stopped and the car was still idling. from there it drove fine using gentle throttle for the rest of the journey.

    it did it again, clutch in, foot off the throttle, clutch out and back on and it drove fine again

    any ideas? im thinking fuel pump Sad

    Posted 6th Aug 2012 at 16:56
    armzsc6

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    Post #49
    If you've got a lambda code as well it could well be fuel starvation so it's not injecting as much as it should be so the lands shows lean when the ecu doesn't think it should be lean.
    You'll be lucky if a snap on one works none of them can read mine even after specifying its a magnetti marelli 1ap-10 ecu and engine code etc. however they read the airba and abs fine. But mines a phase 2.

    It sounds like what my first 6 did when he map sensor was dodgy, but my old red 6 spluttered and almost died when the lambda was fooked...
    I would say get a new fuel pump if you have a lambda code and a new lambda. As I said might be starvation from a failing pump. Mine never gurgles at all just whirs.

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    Posted 6th Aug 2012 at 18:00
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    Post #50
    lambda and map have been replaced with new parts bud. thanks for your input though Smile

    yeah mines a phase 2. im sure the map sensor is working as it should because if i unplug it the engine cuts out.

    if i leave it idling long enough it does seem like its trying to die.
    Posted 6th Aug 2012 at 18:08

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