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Author Subject: Another head gasket gone!!!
yanni

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Finally got the time to strip the head tonight. After two hours of work the head came off and oh what a mess. I have striped quite a few engines before but for a 52000 miles engine i wasn't expecting that. Two head bolts had more slack than expected and cylinder 4 was full of water even down to the exhaust.









Funny thing is that i went down to the dealer for spares and they dont have a head gasket in stock so if i want one i have to wait for 15 days to arrive from France. So i am getting on from Rich.

To be honest the whole thing has taken me down.I had some issues with the gearbox a few weeks back that cost me money and time and now this.Angry
Any way she will be back on the road in a few days.
Once here (and i hope the forum admin's will allow this) how much heat wrap (lenght) will i need in order to do the complete mani now that its out? The weather here reaches 40 to 43C in the summer so i think it will be a good addition in order to keep the engine cooler.Smile

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Posted 4th May 2012 at 22:48
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looks like number 4 which seems quite usual for these engines (you called it 1 btw Wink )

did you drain the coolant before taking the head off?

do get the head checked and skimmed before ordering a gasket Thumbs up

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Posted 4th May 2012 at 22:57
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I am going to order one from Rich if that makes any sense? The head is going to be pressure tested and skimmed on Monday. And yes i did drain the water before thats the reason i am troubled with thisDunno
And yes again you are right its no 4 and not no 1 (corrected).

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Posted 4th May 2012 at 23:04
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yeah you need to tell rich how much was skimmed as clearances are tight, may need a thicker one, did you fit cams? can't remember if you did!

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Posted 4th May 2012 at 23:22
yanni

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Re profiled ones some years back.
So you think this is common?

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Posted 4th May 2012 at 23:27
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fairly, did 3 back in feb-march! skims varied from 4 to 9 thou, one had corrosion to the head by the waterway next to #4

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Posted 5th May 2012 at 06:20
aaron6

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Surely, there must be a fair chunk if spare meat on a head? A 0.009" skim aint even 0.25mm. So on a head that has never been skimmed, how much metal is available to remove before either using a thicker gasket or scrapping the head?

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Posted 5th May 2012 at 07:38
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Don't think mileage makes much diffrence to gasket failures on theseWink

Age is the problem,and the metal gasket corroding IMOThumbs up

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Posted 5th May 2012 at 09:28
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aaron6 wrote:
Surely, there must be a fair chunk if spare meat on a head? A 0.009" skim aint even 0.25mm. So on a head that has never been skimmed, how much metal is available to remove before either using a thicker gasket or scrapping the head?


0.25mm Thumbs up have heard of 0.3 taken but that's really not safe, the figure stated by peugeot is 0.2mm, the repair gasket available is +0.2mm at 1.40.

valve seats on these engines are very close to the face due to the size of the valves.

I don't think you're far wrong kev, mine had about 70k, Ratboy's bianca wallye about 130, Thugpugging's 143, Hsustyle 86k.

condition of the cooling system has a lot to do with it, the red rallye had a properly f**ked rad, my water pump and rad were going, I think Jon's was just age, Ratboy's I'm not sure but the matrix was borked....

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Posted 5th May 2012 at 09:48
paulvancraen

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Are you running coolant liquid or just water? It seems a bit TOO rusty if you look at the coolant channels in the block...

Make sure you run coolant at all times, water f**ks these iron blocks up...
Posted 5th May 2012 at 10:43
yanni

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Post #11
Always used Total coolant and Total Oil, serviced the car in time using genuine parts (have all the receipt's). I believe this is the result of having the car parked in the garage for a year or so. I was starting the car all this time every two weeks and letting the engine reach working temp's just to get everything moving but still it's a bit odd for that mileage.
What bug's me the most is why two head bolt's had slack on them. All of them were nice and tight apart from two one on the corner cylinder 4 at the exhaust and the next to itDunno
You can see it in the head gasket too.

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Posted 5th May 2012 at 10:53
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Oh and to clarify the engine in my car is of the late multiplex Xsara ph2 dated at 2003. So this is relatively new for its age.

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Posted 5th May 2012 at 10:57
coskev

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yanni wrote:
Oh and to clarify the engine in my car is of the late multiplex Xsara ph2 dated at 2003. So this is relatively new for its age.

Yanni.


Still nearly 10 years oldWink

Metal sat in coolant/water/liquid for that length of time will rotYes

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Posted 5th May 2012 at 11:16
paulvancraen

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As for the loose headbolts: Did you maintain the correct sequence?

Posted 5th May 2012 at 11:26
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Interesting...

I have a Rich_W bespoke head gasket on mine, and now I've taken it off the road for a couple of years I hope it doesn't rot just sat in the garage...
I do turn the engine over by hand every fortnight not that it's going to make much difference to the HG.

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Posted 5th May 2012 at 11:54
yanni

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I didn't have to its the first time the head is off. Torque was set from the factory.
Stan that's a good question what can you do to maintain the engine while the car is of the road. Ok oil wise its simple but water? Even the best coolant is water based so corrosion is an issue. Any way i am using the car as an everyday comute so that not the issue any more!

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Posted 5th May 2012 at 12:04
prism7guy

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I was under the impression that the corrosion inhibitor in coolant weakens with time, so frequent ish changes should keep the engine in better condition. Dunno

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Posted 5th May 2012 at 13:01
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Yeah, you should flush it every few years, it's worse on a car that's stood though as there's no circulation to bring fresh corrosion inhibitors into the block.

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Posted 5th May 2012 at 13:16
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Phil - If I turn the engine over by hand that would circulate a little bit surely? Granted the thermostat would be closed so I would only move coolant in the block...

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Posted 5th May 2012 at 14:11
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would it be better drained if its going to be non running for along time?Dunno

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Posted 5th May 2012 at 15:41
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stan_306gti6 wrote:
Phil - If I turn the engine over by hand that would circulate a little bit surely? Granted the thermostat would be closed so I would only move coolant in the block...
Just drive the thing. Thumbs up

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Posted 5th May 2012 at 17:13
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coskev wrote:
would it be better drained if its going to be non running for along time?Dunno


yup


aaron6 wrote:
Just drive the thing. Thumbs up



too damn right Big grin

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Posted 5th May 2012 at 19:08
yanni

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As it stands till Monday.





No comments on the yellow stand please it help holding the bonnet higher for better access!

I never thought that it is impossible to remove the exhaust mani even with the head off LOL

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Posted 5th May 2012 at 20:33
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aaron6 wrote:
stan_306gti6 wrote:
Phil - If I turn the engine over by hand that would circulate a little bit surely? Granted the thermostat would be closed so I would only move coolant in the block...
Just drive the thing. Thumbs up


I don't want to Aaron...

However, I don't really want the HG to rot either. Laugh
The coolant is only 1 year old at the moment, so I reckon I might leave it another few months and then maybe have to change it due to it being sat. Yes

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Posted 6th May 2012 at 00:17
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What was the reason for taking it off the road Stan?

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