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 stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #26
peetypug wrote: FFS!! just come to collect the piece of shit and it won't start! Oh dear.  You need to check whether you're lacking fuel or spark.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
 Posted 25th Feb 2012 at 17:04
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peetypug
Seasoned Pro  Location: Spooning marksorrento205 Registered: 20 Feb 2011 Posts: 1,869 Status: Offline |
Post #27
Both again! Just swapped the relay back and it started Turned it off and it wouldn't start! Tried again and it started It used to fire instantly, now it takes a second  ________________________________________ Cherry rallye - DOB Thursday 29/04/1999Team Rallye - the leaner, meaner, better looking sister of the GTI6  roland rat wrote: You sir either live for the 6 or have a mental retardation to still be repairing this! The best engine in the world is the vagina, it takes any size piston, its self lubricating, starts with 1 finger, and every 4 weeks does its own oil change. It's just a pity the management system is so fecking temperamental. |
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Posted 25th Feb 2012 at 17:29
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peetypug
Seasoned Pro Location: Spooning marksorrento205 Registered: 20 Feb 2011 Posts: 1,869 Status: Offline |
Post #28
Crank sensor??________________________________________ Cherry rallye - DOB Thursday 29/04/1999Team Rallye - the leaner, meaner, better looking sister of the GTI6 roland rat wrote: You sir either live for the 6 or have a mental retardation to still be repairing this! The best engine in the world is the vagina, it takes any size piston, its self lubricating, starts with 1 finger, and every 4 weeks does its own oil change. It's just a pity the management system is so fecking temperamental. |
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Posted 25th Feb 2012 at 17:30
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #29
I would be surprised if it was the crank sensor as these are not usually intermittant.When it doesn't start does the fuel pump still prime? ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 25th Feb 2012 at 17:41
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peetypug
Seasoned Pro Location: Spooning marksorrento205 Registered: 20 Feb 2011 Posts: 1,869 Status: Offline |
Post #30
Could it be thy it's dropped a tooth on the flywheel or even some crap making it not read correctly?I've been told they might use the crank sensor to start then the cam sensor when running?? ________________________________________ Cherry rallye - DOB Thursday 29/04/1999Team Rallye - the leaner, meaner, better looking sister of the GTI6 roland rat wrote: You sir either live for the 6 or have a mental retardation to still be repairing this! The best engine in the world is the vagina, it takes any size piston, its self lubricating, starts with 1 finger, and every 4 weeks does its own oil change. It's just a pity the management system is so fecking temperamental. |
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Posted 25th Feb 2012 at 17:43
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #31
Cam sensor is used on starting but then redundant once the engine is running. It could well be that, but I haven't seen one of those fail for years.________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 25th Feb 2012 at 17:52
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dan86
Senior User  Location: Bideford Registered: 10 May 2009 Posts: 548 Status: Offline |
Post #32
It's a long shot but worth checking the two plugs under the dash above the the passenger footwell. They can get kicked and come loose. The fuel pump feed is part of that interior loom. It won't cost anything to check. I think one plug is red and the other is brown. ________________________________________ |
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Posted 25th Feb 2012 at 18:03
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peetypug
Seasoned Pro Location: Spooning marksorrento205 Registered: 20 Feb 2011 Posts: 1,869 Status: Offline |
Post #33
Fuel pump is priming, but the injectors aren't firing________________________________________ Cherry rallye - DOB Thursday 29/04/1999Team Rallye - the leaner, meaner, better looking sister of the GTI6 roland rat wrote: You sir either live for the 6 or have a mental retardation to still be repairing this! The best engine in the world is the vagina, it takes any size piston, its self lubricating, starts with 1 finger, and every 4 weeks does its own oil change. It's just a pity the management system is so fecking temperamental. |
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Posted 25th Feb 2012 at 18:05
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #34
Sounds like an intermittant immobiliser fault, although it is an odd one.Have you checked your earthing points incase they are causing intermittant faults? ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 25th Feb 2012 at 18:10
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peetypug
Seasoned Pro Location: Spooning marksorrento205 Registered: 20 Feb 2011 Posts: 1,869 Status: Offline |
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Earths are fine, they were cleaned up 8 months ago________________________________________ Cherry rallye - DOB Thursday 29/04/1999Team Rallye - the leaner, meaner, better looking sister of the GTI6 roland rat wrote: You sir either live for the 6 or have a mental retardation to still be repairing this! The best engine in the world is the vagina, it takes any size piston, its self lubricating, starts with 1 finger, and every 4 weeks does its own oil change. It's just a pity the management system is so fecking temperamental. |
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Posted 25th Feb 2012 at 18:20
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peetypug
Seasoned Pro Location: Spooning marksorrento205 Registered: 20 Feb 2011 Posts: 1,869 Status: Offline |
Post #36
defo not earths, i used jump leads and earthed the battery to the block and the block to the chassisdefo not the double relay (tried 3 and it has ran on all of them today) all the pins on the ecu look fine ________________________________________ Cherry rallye - DOB Thursday 29/04/1999Team Rallye - the leaner, meaner, better looking sister of the GTI6 roland rat wrote: You sir either live for the 6 or have a mental retardation to still be repairing this! The best engine in the world is the vagina, it takes any size piston, its self lubricating, starts with 1 finger, and every 4 weeks does its own oil change. It's just a pity the management system is so fecking temperamental. |
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Posted 25th Feb 2012 at 18:46
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eddy_gti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Durham Registered: 20 Oct 2008 Posts: 8,716 Status: Offline |
Post #37
Fuel cut off switch under the bonnet?________________________________________ Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 25th Feb 2012 at 18:57
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #38
Are you definitely sure you don't have fuel AND spark?________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 25th Feb 2012 at 19:04
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peetypug
Seasoned Pro Location: Spooning marksorrento205 Registered: 20 Feb 2011 Posts: 1,869 Status: Offline |
Post #39
right, got it started and im now home, drove sweet as a nut for all 25 milesmy mate told me to put both jump leads onto the negative of the battery then put one on the gearbox near the crank sensor and the other onto the top mount of the engine turned it over and nothing, tried again and it started. so didnt turn it off and drove home just got back, turned it off, tried again and it started. i bet it wont start again in 10 mins though ________________________________________ Cherry rallye - DOB Thursday 29/04/1999Team Rallye - the leaner, meaner, better looking sister of the GTI6 roland rat wrote: You sir either live for the 6 or have a mental retardation to still be repairing this! The best engine in the world is the vagina, it takes any size piston, its self lubricating, starts with 1 finger, and every 4 weeks does its own oil change. It's just a pity the management system is so fecking temperamental. |
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Posted 25th Feb 2012 at 19:59
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peetypug
Seasoned Pro Location: Spooning marksorrento205 Registered: 20 Feb 2011 Posts: 1,869 Status: Offline |
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stan_306gti6 wrote: Are you definitely sure you don't have fuel AND spark? yes mate tried easy start and it wouldnt fire, it didnt even try to start then took a plug out after cranking it over and theres no smell of fuel and the plugs were dry so ________________________________________ Cherry rallye - DOB Thursday 29/04/1999Team Rallye - the leaner, meaner, better looking sister of the GTI6 roland rat wrote: You sir either live for the 6 or have a mental retardation to still be repairing this! The best engine in the world is the vagina, it takes any size piston, its self lubricating, starts with 1 finger, and every 4 weeks does its own oil change. It's just a pity the management system is so fecking temperamental. |
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Posted 25th Feb 2012 at 20:01
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peetypug
Seasoned Pro Location: Spooning marksorrento205 Registered: 20 Feb 2011 Posts: 1,869 Status: Offline |
Post #41
I think I've found the issue Immobiliser, took the ecu out and swapped it for an unlocked one It started  So put all the bits back on, then went to start it again Guess what?? It wouldn't start So tried another unlocked ecu and it started, I've taken that one off so it's still unlocked It's got to be immobiliser issues ________________________________________ Cherry rallye - DOB Thursday 29/04/1999Team Rallye - the leaner, meaner, better looking sister of the GTI6 roland rat wrote: You sir either live for the 6 or have a mental retardation to still be repairing this! The best engine in the world is the vagina, it takes any size piston, its self lubricating, starts with 1 finger, and every 4 weeks does its own oil change. It's just a pity the management system is so fecking temperamental. |
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Posted 25th Feb 2012 at 22:22
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #42
probably the aerial around the lock barrel, very common on 106's, I think the 306 part is the same.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 25th Feb 2012 at 23:16
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peetypug
Seasoned Pro Location: Spooning marksorrento205 Registered: 20 Feb 2011 Posts: 1,869 Status: Offline |
Post #43
i swapped that for another but no luck are they matched to the chip in the key? or is it just a reciever that would work on any car? ________________________________________ Cherry rallye - DOB Thursday 29/04/1999Team Rallye - the leaner, meaner, better looking sister of the GTI6 roland rat wrote: You sir either live for the 6 or have a mental retardation to still be repairing this! The best engine in the world is the vagina, it takes any size piston, its self lubricating, starts with 1 finger, and every 4 weeks does its own oil change. It's just a pity the management system is so fecking temperamental. |
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Posted 25th Feb 2012 at 23:18
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #44
It certainly does sound like an immobiliser fault. How exactly have you checked you have no spark? ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 26th Feb 2012 at 07:37
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peetypug
Seasoned Pro Location: Spooning marksorrento205 Registered: 20 Feb 2011 Posts: 1,869 Status: Offline |
Post #45
Just with easy start, that stuff would start anything!________________________________________ Cherry rallye - DOB Thursday 29/04/1999Team Rallye - the leaner, meaner, better looking sister of the GTI6 roland rat wrote: You sir either live for the 6 or have a mental retardation to still be repairing this! The best engine in the world is the vagina, it takes any size piston, its self lubricating, starts with 1 finger, and every 4 weeks does its own oil change. It's just a pity the management system is so fecking temperamental. |
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Posted 26th Feb 2012 at 07:44
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #46
I disagree. You should have taken a coil and plug out of the head, put the plug back in the coil and then earthed the threads of the plug on the head somewhere. Then got someone else to crank it over whilst you watched to see if the plug was sparking or not. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 26th Feb 2012 at 08:06
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peetypug
Seasoned Pro Location: Spooning marksorrento205 Registered: 20 Feb 2011 Posts: 1,869 Status: Offline |
Post #47
I did that with the rac guy and wasn't getting spark ________________________________________ Cherry rallye - DOB Thursday 29/04/1999Team Rallye - the leaner, meaner, better looking sister of the GTI6 roland rat wrote: You sir either live for the 6 or have a mental retardation to still be repairing this! The best engine in the world is the vagina, it takes any size piston, its self lubricating, starts with 1 finger, and every 4 weeks does its own oil change. It's just a pity the management system is so fecking temperamental. |
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Posted 26th Feb 2012 at 08:22
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #48
Ok, well with that diagnosis and the fact you've had it running on two separate unlocked ECU's I would put my money on an immobiliser problem. Can you not just fit the unlocked ECU and keep it on there for a week to test it out?________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 26th Feb 2012 at 08:26
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peetypug
Seasoned Pro Location: Spooning marksorrento205 Registered: 20 Feb 2011 Posts: 1,869 Status: Offline |
Post #49
I dud that last night and it locked one of my unlocked ones ________________________________________ Cherry rallye - DOB Thursday 29/04/1999Team Rallye - the leaner, meaner, better looking sister of the GTI6 roland rat wrote: You sir either live for the 6 or have a mental retardation to still be repairing this! The best engine in the world is the vagina, it takes any size piston, its self lubricating, starts with 1 finger, and every 4 weeks does its own oil change. It's just a pity the management system is so fecking temperamental. |
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Posted 26th Feb 2012 at 08:30
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #50
Yes, it will do when you turn the ignition off the ECU will lock to that system. Does that same ECU now not work? ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 26th Feb 2012 at 08:39
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