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jimmyhackers

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Post #1
hello
didnt quite know where to put this thread.

my phase one 306 gti 6 has had works done and after 100 miles my engine aprears to be seized or other engine problem. Sad basically wont start. seems like the engine is jammed

id like a specialist to see whats wrong and if i have a case for making him pay for it.

ive spent just over 3500 on a list of 46 items most of which was suspension and steering and most definately needed (ex silverstone) however id liek to make sure its all been done properly. i dont mind paying to get the car somewhere.

would pug1off or lynx power engineering do a service. if an engine rebuild is needed id rather the best in the uk to do it, even if it turns out i still have to pay.

i suppose it all depends on whats gone wrong. ill get ringing round 2moz after some googling etc and see when i can get my car somewhere to eb checked.

any advice or offers would be appreciated.

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Posted 22nd Nov 2011 at 17:25
Rich E Forum Admin

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What engine work did you have done?

(And how on earth did a list of suspension and steering issues cost £3500 to sort out?)

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Posted 22nd Nov 2011 at 17:28
bennn

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CG Cars might be your best bet, not too far away in leicester.

As above how did you end up with a bill of £3500 and why on earth would you pay it?

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Posted 22nd Nov 2011 at 17:33
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Post #4
Rich E wrote:

(And how on earth did a list of suspension and steering issues cost £3500 to sort out?)


Yes

Could of bought about 5 gti6's with that! Laugh

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Posted 22nd Nov 2011 at 17:33
jimmyhackers

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Post #5
rear axle assembly reconditioned,
lower beam,
N/s lower arm bushes x 4,
o/s lower amr bushes x2
bottom o/s b/joint end
n/s rack end
tracking
tiomiung belt
idler
tensioner
water pump
anti freeze
exhaust mounting mid and spare x2
clutch cable
additional bottom b/joint
alt belt
oil flush
oil filter
oil
fuel filter
rear wheel bearings x2
rear abs sensor x2
sub frame mount front x2
sub frame moutn rear x2
gear linkage bar x3

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Posted 22nd Nov 2011 at 17:36
darzmat

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Rich E wrote:

(And how on earth did a list of suspension and steering issues cost £3500 to sort out?)


he mentioned on another post about it being 46 items and over 50hours work done on it Shock Shock Crazy Wink

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Posted 22nd Nov 2011 at 17:37
jimmyhackers

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that 3500 including 1105 in labour and 587 in vat. parts came to 1832

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Posted 22nd Nov 2011 at 17:43
bennn

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Thats insane you need your head testing.

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Posted 22nd Nov 2011 at 17:46
judge dead

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Post #9
you must really love ure car id have just givin up if i had that much needed doing or in a realistic case drove it till it broke then replace it lol.
Posted 22nd Nov 2011 at 17:50
gtisid

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Post #10
sounds like the cambelt has snapped from what you are saying, you would not be the first to have this happen. you must be living for the 306 spending that dough on it. Before you start booking it in anywhere you have to let the guy who fixed it have a look first or you will be p*ssing in the wind should it go to court. this happened to me some years back when my reverse idler went bang on a car. had a repair done to avoid a 2k bill costing 700 only for it to fail again reversing it out of his workshop and because i did not let the original repairer have a look at it and got a gearbox specialist to repair it i had to foot both bills!!!

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Posted 22nd Nov 2011 at 17:51
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Its just bad luck, he did not do any work on the engine except a belt and oil so you prob had a prob with oil pump or chain
Posted 22nd Nov 2011 at 17:53
jimmyhackers

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Post #12
before i went to the garage the cars suspension and steering was shot along with many other things. really squaeky, f*cked basically

i really wanted the phase one as i prefer them and when i saw this white ex sislverstone one for 700 spare and repairs i rang the dude and he said its not brilliant but everything is there it hasnt been broken for spare yet at all.

so i had it well knowing itd need some fair amount of work/money i just wanted it relaible. i gave the man a list of things and he said yeah ok and also pointed out many other problems which id missed and i said yeah ok. and paid and he has done everything hes charged me for.

i got him to focus on the steering/ ride /less jangly gearstick side more as the engine was fine and was due a cambelt + service. i wasnt thinkign hmmmmm i need more power right then. imagine the step up from a 75bhp 1.4 306 to a 167bhpish gti6 Razz

my point is if hes f*cked up my engine i want a new one and hes paying. if he hasnt i still need a new engine and yes id like pug one off or someone else that way inclinded to make it a bit more cheekily powerfull when they rebuild /replace the engine if needed.

it might turn out to be something be something silly that ive missed or it might not need an extensive rebuild etc. however if it does and i take it to the original mechanic and its his fault hes not gonna tell me hes f*cked up. hes gonna naill my wallet again.

get my point. i want someone who definately can rebuild and engine and knows there shit to fight my case if it is his fault. would be nice to get some money back.

thanks for the help so far anmyways

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Posted 22nd Nov 2011 at 18:03
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just throwing it in there but it could be he didnt install cam belt tensoiner right or something you could take timeing belt cover off ure self and have a look see whats happend does engine move ither way? if u try turn the crank with a ratchet and socket?
Posted 22nd Nov 2011 at 18:08
gtisid

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Post #14
you can get a 2nd opinion but you have to give the guy the opputunity to fix it prior to 2nd opinion. think you are within your rights to watch what he is doing to make sure he is not digging himself out of a hole

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Posted 22nd Nov 2011 at 18:17
smegal

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If it had snapped the cam belt it would turn over faster, maybe making a noise, surely? :shrug

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Posted 22nd Nov 2011 at 18:22
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50 hours labour? Are you kidding?!

Even allowing for a very stubborn rear beam there's no more than 15-20 hours work there, absolute maximum.

I'm also concerned about why new rear ABS sensors were needed. The beam can be rebuilt around them if they're seized into the hubs.

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Posted 22nd Nov 2011 at 18:32
jimmyhackers

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car does not more in gear with plugs out. will not turn at crank either. stoped dead.

i have inspected the cambelt already and it seems fine.

can over tightening a cam belt cause damage? the engine is over 16 years old. 100 000 miles and in all honesty what ive done and had to it so far probbaly the best its had service wise in a long while.

cheers gtisid
so basically get second opion when they tell me whats wrong ive got to ring him and tell him to fix it for free if it is his fault. if it isnt i just get them to fix it for me. shweet

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Posted 22nd Nov 2011 at 18:37
davedgti6

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Take spark plugs out, examine condition and see if you can see into the bores, while plugs are out try and turn engine over clockwise by putting socket on bottom pulley, if it don't turn over at all I would say engine is scrap, cant really see it being the mechanics fault as even if the cambelt snapped the bottom end would still turn over unless it dropped a valve and jammed things up good and proper, are you sure there isn't a con rod sticking out of the side of the block?

Also f*ck me £3500? so you spent £700 on car then £3500 to fix her up, total of £4200? is this right? -cos you do realise that you could have bought a proper sorted low boost Gti6 for that kind of money,

Sounds like new engine time but cant see your mechanic paying for one, he may drop a second hand one in for free maybe considering what you have paid already but you might have to source and pay for it,

I would get a mechanically minded friend to have a look at it first to confirm what's fooked, hope you get sorted Thumbs up

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Posted 22nd Nov 2011 at 18:39
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To be honest if it were me I'd get in touch with trading standards and take whatever advice they give you.

I think Tony (gtisid) is right that somewhere you have to give the original person the chance to rectify any fault or you wont have a hope in hell of getting a penny from them to pay another garage to do what was originally his job.

Have you spoke to the person that did the work yet? If not that would be next on the list after trading standards. I'm not suggesting you report him or anything as at the moment it's just speculation as to what has gone wrong but they will advise you on the legal side of things, any do's and dont's to say and make sure you dont shoot yourself in the foot by taking any wrong actions.

Hope this helps.

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Posted 22nd Nov 2011 at 18:45
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So they didn't bleed the cooling system and have admitted that to you ?

Sounds to me as if the engine has cooked and seized the bottom end due to the oil boiling over and thinking out ?


Posted 22nd Nov 2011 at 19:00
jimmyhackers

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i have rang the mechanic and he was adamant hed done nothing wrong and seemed offended at my questions to begin with. i mentioned the heater matrix wasnt bled properly and he began a long story of how perfectly they had done it all etc.

basically he wont come out to look at it. its 40 quid hell charge to get it taken to his garage so he can look at it. and if it is his fault do you think he'll admit to it? so basically im paying 40 quid to trap my car somewhere and itll cost me again to get it to another garage.
plus even if i do watch him and see his f*ckup. his word (citroen peugeot specialist) against mine (ac engineer) wont hold up in court.

i told him id have to think about it and ill get a second opinion he said ok. and that was it.

hence this thread. i need someone with knows there shit to look at it and testify for my case if i have one

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Posted 22nd Nov 2011 at 19:03
davedgti6

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Do you not know any mechanically minded mates to have a look at it?

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Posted 22nd Nov 2011 at 19:10
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http://www.drydengroup.co.uk/

http://www.robinsandday.co.uk/?gclid=CIa5hOX5yqwCFcQf4QodKhZSqw

http://www.chambersgroup.co.uk/

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Posted 22nd Nov 2011 at 19:15
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bigbadbowen wrote:
So they didn't bleed the cooling system and have admitted that to you ?

Sounds to me as if the engine has cooked and seized the bottom end due to the oil boiling over and thinking out ?


I don't think so. It would pop the head gasket and die due to lack of compression before the oil got that hot. I had a thermostat jam shut on me once and cooked the head. It died due to lack of compression, and the oil temperature was only marginally above normal. The engine was fine again after a top end rebuild. No bottom end issues at all.

Besides, an airlock in the heater matrix wouldn't stop water circulation in the block on these engines due to the bypass pipe on the back of the block. It would only stop water circulating in the matrix.

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Posted 22nd Nov 2011 at 19:19
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i have one whos a dub head. and his inclination is something inside is wrong mechanically and he cant be arsed taking it apart to look. nothing untoward is there outside. i had a look as best i can at pistons when i took plugs out. all fuses are fine oil and coolant levels are fine except heater matrix not bled. no leaking oil or things poking out the block etc

other one whos a mev roocket kit car owner said possibly valve head snapped off and jammed/similar or my starter motors f*cked. or my fly wheels exploded and jamed againt the housing

so i dont know unless i start taking it apart, which im dont want to do as im lazy etc plus id rather a spcialst uncover the problem for legal resons Razz. and sucks to me if its osmehting silly and i feeel like a dickhead for all this polarva Razz

i have coverd all the basics myself and cant be arsed going further and possibly causing more problems

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