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jimmyhackers

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i have recently had my gti's cambelt done along with a full engine service and other extras comign to £3500 so id of expected it to be a bit more reliable.

coming off a roundabout in 3rd the engine made some grumbly noises
warning lights flashed and the engine cut out. its seems to cease up as the car slowed rapidly. i dropped the clutch and rolled off the roundabout to a stop on a dual carriageway.

all electrics are fine. so is battery. cam belts still there. starter motor clicks but will not turn engine. car doesnt want to roll in gear. hence me thinking something inside the engine has broken off and is jamming it

possible causes?

any help would be appreciated

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Posted 20th Nov 2011 at 15:30
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Steam cylinder cracked?

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Posted 20th Nov 2011 at 15:33
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run a set of shells or oil pump packed in and bottom end f*cked?

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Posted 20th Nov 2011 at 16:05
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Siezed solid by the sound of it

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Posted 20th Nov 2011 at 16:07
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Sounds seized to me also, did it smell hot?

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Posted 20th Nov 2011 at 16:49
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Seized did it over heat it's oil ?
Posted 20th Nov 2011 at 17:26
jimmyhackers

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the oil i do not know. rad temps were fine.

the recovery man tried starting it and held the ignition on
the ground for the starter motor started smoking. he saiid theres your problem. poor earth.

i think thats becasue the engines seized or jammed like you said.

how much is a v6 conversion?


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Posted 20th Nov 2011 at 20:52
jimmyhackers

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could the starter motor be seized or jammed? it did sound very on is last legs since ive owned the car. that seems like an easier fix that a new engine Big grin

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Posted 20th Nov 2011 at 21:01
owain

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Doubt it, starter motor isn't anywhere near engaged with the engine while you're driving. That'd stop it starting, but wouldn't cause it to stop and certainly wouldn't give enough resistance to slow a car.

The recovery man is a muppet. That'd be your starter motor burning out too thanks to him.

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Posted 20th Nov 2011 at 21:06
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he did seem like one.

never mind. look like my cars fooked then. Sad

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Posted 20th Nov 2011 at 22:20
bigbadbowen

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Put a spanner on the crank pulley and see if you can turn it by hand ?

V6 conversion done properly will be about 2k if you factor in the cost of the engine

Better off getting another 6 engine

Posted 20th Nov 2011 at 23:09
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bigbadbowen wrote:
Put a spanner on the crank pulley and see if you can turn it by hand ?

V6 conversion done properly will be about 2k if you factor in the cost of the engine

Better off getting another 6 engine



can be done for a lot less if you are suitably equipped and start with a manual donor, but judging by the recent posts by the OP I'd imagine over 2k easily LOL

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Posted 20th Nov 2011 at 23:13
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Take the plugs out first and see if there is anything left of them. Shine a torch into the cylinders to see if you've got any pistons left.

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Posted 21st Nov 2011 at 12:24
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It could well be that your excessive fuel consumption has washed fuel down into the sump, fooked the oil, then fooked the bottom end.

Smell the oil when you drop it out and see if its got fuel in.

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Posted 21st Nov 2011 at 12:27
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i have just discovered the muppet at the garage didnt bleed the air of of my heater matrix properly? could this contribute to a seized engine? i can imagine the air lock would of caused a restriction in the cooling system ?
if so how do i go about making him pay for the repair/ any mechanics out there want to take on this claim and back me up?

ive just paid 3500 to get the car "reliable" and now im feeling a bit had

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Posted 21st Nov 2011 at 17:49
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Jimmy, Can we just clarify here...... £3500? As in Three thousand five hundred pounds? I ask this as you have repeated that figure, twice...... Blink

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Posted 21st Nov 2011 at 18:00
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HOW MUCH.... I take it that was an entire overhaul? Full head rebuild and bottom end, pistons and so on.
If your thinking of a v6 conversion the the money you spend on it could get you a 6 engine cams and second hand set of tbs and ecu

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Posted 21st Nov 2011 at 18:36
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welshpug! wrote:
bigbadbowen wrote:
Put a spanner on the crank pulley and see if you can turn it by hand ?

V6 conversion done properly will be about 2k if you factor in the cost of the engine

Better off getting another 6 engine



can be done for a lot less if you are suitably equipped and start with a manual donor, but judging by the recent posts by the OP I'd imagine over 2k easily LOL


Especially after hes converted the V6 to act as a refrigerator, window cleaner and food processor on top of it's normal propulsion duties LOL

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Posted 21st Nov 2011 at 18:38
jimmyhackers

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i can list what hes done. its 46 items long with over 50 hours labour. all the new parts are there that ive paid for.

the vast majority was on suspesion and steering parts not really engine or gearbox. all of which im happy with. although i will be throughly inspecting his work now (every bolt extensivly :s)

enginewise i only asked for a service including timing belt, idler, tensioner, waterpump, antifreeze, clutch cable, alternator belt,oil flush, oil filter, new oil fuel filter.

ive only done about 100 miles since all this work and wouldnt expect the car to f*ck up as it has so soon after. my point is if hes done something silly like........used the wrong oil, not bled my heater matrix properly...........incorrectly tensions my timing belt.......etc which has led to my engine being capputed.

hes entitled to fix the damage for free or pay someone else to do so. am i right? its a legal obligation if hes f*cked up my engine?

hopefully he fixes it for free. otherwise its off to a proper specialist and hes paying wether he likes it or not.



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Posted 21st Nov 2011 at 18:47
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You should always drive carefully after extensive work like that is carried out, and the first few miles are when anything serious will reveal itself. To be fair if the engine is airlocked then the water temperature sensor can't show you a problem as there is'nt any hot water on the sensor for it to get a reading from, but you normally smell an overheating engine before too long. If it was'nt bled correctly you could very well have cracked the block leading to the seizure. I should get back in touch with the garage first thing tomorrow and make him aware of your predicament, then ask him to examine the car and tell you what is wrong. Once a verdict is reached, then ask what he intends to do about it, as it was fine when it went in, and less than 100 miles later it's failed big time.

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Posted 21st Nov 2011 at 18:55
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ohh man,... sorry to read this doesn't sound good?

I see your in Birmingham Drop Mabgti a Msg he's quite tech-zavi and a nice guy Smile
see if he can help you decipher whats gone wrong,..

from experience some of the Garages i've had dealing with would will shirk their responsibility's so you'll need to know exactly what it is that's gone and why before you run pointing fingers

for the money you've just thrown at that you could have bought another mint 6 with all said work just done Sad

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Posted 21st Nov 2011 at 19:05
jimmyhackers

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[quote="daveyboy"WinkEspecially after hes converted the V6 to act as a refrigerator



funny you should mention that. im a refrigeration and air conditioning engineer. hence me asking about mad high pressure thermal steam systems etc on the other threads.

but back to my question of sorts. ive listed what the mechanic has done engine wise to my car. can making a silly mistake in any of these areas cause my engine to seize up?

whos the daddy of engine rebuilds in the uk? i think i may just bite the bullet

thanks for all your help.

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Posted 21st Nov 2011 at 19:09
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jimmyhackers wrote:
ive just paid 3500 to get the car "reliable" and now im feeling a bit had


I presume they included a V8 in that price, yes?

MAN. Why?!

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Posted 21st Nov 2011 at 19:10
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im begining to think so myself.

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Posted 21st Nov 2011 at 19:31
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im going to get an independant evaluation by either pug 1 off or lynx performnace engineering.

hopefully they back me up in court when i sue him for the money ive spent getting my engine "rebuilt"

hopefully by the end of this monumentally depressing ballache ill have a spanking new engine in my 6

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