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Author Subject: The SHAKE is back... Worse than ever before
eliotrw

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Post #1
Basically my 6 used to shake realllly bad,
after a lower engine mount, wheel balancing and a new dash mounting peice it seemed to be much much better.

So im driving last night and all of a sudden it comes back for avengance,
At speeds from about 30-50 its there quite bad and ive noticed the wheel that it feels like it comes from is missing its wheel weights. (Front passenger side)

So it should be a simple problem right?
Common sense says its just.
Welll its SO SO violent im certain it surely cant be down purely to the balancing. i'd be very surprised.
ive checked the tightness of both my wishbones and wheel nuts, one bolt (which i think is the one i put back on three days ago to replace a locking bolt) , would get quite tight then stay the same tightness no matter how much i turned it. i took it out and it was thinner in the middle than at both ends :S so i put the locking one back on (which tightened up properly) but the issue is still the same :S
i think the disc is VERY VERY slightly warped also but its always been that way i think and i cant see how it would make a difference when not braking :S
Ive had the car up and tried to move the wheel about left and right up and down etc and all seem fine.

Also i have attempted to fit a lower brace recently but the wishbone bolt is foooking tight.

Am i being stupid and worring too much (its just balancing) or is there a more sinister cause?
To be honest the gearbox looked a bit mucky under neath but ive heard that thats pretty much normal ? but again it seemed like there was no excessive movement or anything.

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Posted 29th Jul 2011 at 00:07
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Post #2
Get the wheel re-balanced and go from there. It's pointless looking at other things until that's done.

(And yes, unbalanced wheels can cause violent vibrations)

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Posted 29th Jul 2011 at 00:21
iplay

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If you can see a wheel weight has dropped off. As a temporary measure I would remove the remaining weights. I did this last week after loosing 1 weight - removed the other 8 weights and the wheel runs balanced. This might just be lucky but a few people I know have experienced similar results. Makes me wonder if weights are needed after a NEW tyre has bedded in.
Posted 29th Jul 2011 at 00:47
mattgti6phase2

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Post #4
Possibly a driveshaft to. CV joints could be knackered which can cause the above symptoms.

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Posted 29th Jul 2011 at 00:57
eliotrw

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If I put the clutch down it backs off a bit :S

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Posted 29th Jul 2011 at 01:02
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Post #6
If you do get the wheels rebalanced, find a very good tyre place as many of them just slap the weights on without a care in the world.
Posted 29th Jul 2011 at 01:52
mattgti6phase2

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Post #7
eliotrw wrote:
If I put the clutch down it backs off a bit :S


As said could be the driveshaft. When you dip the clutch your unloading everything. Check for side to side movement and up and down.

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Posted 29th Jul 2011 at 01:59
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Ffs, just went out, when the judder is at its worst you can hear a ting ting noise, and I think I heard some clicks on full lock. Could it be from after the mount was change and the boots were disturbed?

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Posted 29th Jul 2011 at 03:11
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Steering rack issue maybe

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Posted 29th Jul 2011 at 03:17
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eliotrw wrote:
Ffs, just went out, when the judder is at its worst you can hear a ting ting noise, and I think I heard some clicks on full lock. Could it be from after the mount was change and the boots were disturbed?


could be drivshaft Wink
Posted 29th Jul 2011 at 03:34
eliotrw

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Why is it things f*ck up when you want to save money?

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Posted 29th Jul 2011 at 03:38
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Sods Law

Driveshafts aren't expensive though

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Posted 29th Jul 2011 at 03:48
gilesy

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iplay wrote:
If you can see a wheel weight has dropped off. As a temporary measure I would remove the remaining weights. I did this last week after loosing 1 weight - removed the other 8 weights and the wheel runs balanced. This might just be lucky but a few people I know have experienced similar results. Makes me wonder if weights are needed after a NEW tyre has bedded in.


Hmm

I had my michelin PE2's fitted at the 3rd garage I went to, no one would fit customers own tyres.

Tyres got fitted - not balanced as he didn't have an adaptor. I don't know if I was lucky but they are good to ***mph.
Posted 29th Jul 2011 at 04:02
mattgti6phase2

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I still think it's a shaft. I got a good second hand driver side one for mine and it cost £30 still ok now.

My old one fell to pieces when I took it out but it shook the car to f*ck!

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Posted 29th Jul 2011 at 04:05
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gilesy wrote:
I don't know if I was lucky but they are good to 400mph.


Was that in the twisties? I've heard good things up to this speed. Minimal wall flex.

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Posted 29th Jul 2011 at 04:08
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Id say the shaft considering it bavks off wen you clutch meaning no power is going through them

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Posted 29th Jul 2011 at 04:10
eliotrw

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looks very leaky under the passenger side shaft Sad
just crawled it home, cant accelerate past 45 mph, and reaching 40 taking about 20 seconds if you dont want the car to vibrate like a bucking bronco.
Dont have time to even consider it myslef so the car is just going to get bunged in a garage in the morning and im going to come home with a sore arse.
FML

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Posted 29th Jul 2011 at 05:35
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ive got a passenger side shaft if you want it pop tart?
Posted 29th Jul 2011 at 05:42
eliotrw

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haha, i would love one but when you factor in delievery times and stuff my cars off the road for like 3 days. Literally i cant cope with that hence why im prepared for a right shafting Sad
cheers for the offer though mate Smile

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Posted 29th Jul 2011 at 05:47
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no worries mate Smile
Posted 29th Jul 2011 at 06:17
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Passenger side shaft, I would put money on it. Yes

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Posted 29th Jul 2011 at 12:41
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Post #22
hi there, you are more than welcome to pop up to mine and ill have a look at it for you. i will do it cheaper than any garage and i have the parts you may need.

DONT! take it to a garage most will just ripp you off.

Also i thought you wanted me to fit an arb for you.

Let me know if you want anything done and we can arrange a day/time that suits you.

If ive missed your calls,im sorry about that i get alot everyday and i dont know who is who.

many thanks,richard.

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Posted 29th Jul 2011 at 17:28
eliotrw

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Hey rich I'm yeah I did have you in mind earlier but I really needed it done today and wasn't sure if the car would make the (still sort ) journey, literally I was crawling through the town center Sad so I've chucked it in the garage.
Defiantly want the arb fitted and probably a strut brace as well Smile

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Posted 29th Jul 2011 at 17:48
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Post #24
wheel balancing (dont think it is that )
drive shaft
check the mount you fitted (they can come loose)
top mount broken in bodywork
gearbox mount ( mine went after i fitted bottom mount)
in that order

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Posted 29th Jul 2011 at 18:03
eliotrw

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Was drive shaft after, feels nice now mind Smile
Drivers side too :S was ###$ed apparently

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Posted 29th Jul 2011 at 23:11

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