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Author Subject: S/C and NON 6 Speed
spiky

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Post #1
any one run a low boost SC and not using a 6 speed box?

maybe a 1.6 or 1.9 Be1/Be3 ?

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Posted 21st Jul 2010 at 13:54
rallyestyle

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Post #2
I believe there are a couple of 205's Yes Plus there is an Xsara that im pretty sure is running the standard 5 speed Smile

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Posted 21st Jul 2010 at 13:40
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Post #3
just wondering if i should stick with my 5 speed 1.6 box or change to different box, as i'm going to be hitting higher speeds

VTS or 1.9 box seems to be the best option, as i still have the steering lock but gain the high speeds, so i'm not red lining in 5th on track

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Posted 21st Jul 2010 at 13:42
rallyestyle

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Yeah with an SC in the 205 im sure you will be hitting top speed at most tracks so well worth going for a longer ratio box Yes

I presume the VTS box has a maximum speed similar to the GTI6 box but with less gears? If thats the case i would be tempted for that one although there may be better benefits of a 1.9 box Unsure

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Posted 21st Jul 2010 at 13:54
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Post #5
yeah, i think it's like that, will get me gearbox calculater on the go and see what it comes up with

whats the rev limit and ideal change gear rev's on low boost?

i change at 7k on the ITB setup,

only asking so i can add this into calculator too

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Posted 21st Jul 2010 at 13:56
vittesse_tuning

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for fear of getting flamed have you thought about 1.9 diesel box. mate has one in his 2.0 8v turbo. will find out what speeds it does at say 4k in every gear for you but he loves it and said its much better to drive than his 6 speed. just and idea.

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Posted 21st Jul 2010 at 14:03
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Post #7
always open to offers, will need ratio's to decide

look at the graphs the 205 gti 1.9 box looks ideal see details below



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Posted 21st Jul 2010 at 14:05
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The 1.9 does seem to be the best yes Yes

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Posted 21st Jul 2010 at 14:12
spiky

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yeah

just to note the graph dont show the 6th gear, but you can see the speeds on the data sheet

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Posted 21st Jul 2010 at 14:14
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Post #10
25 mph between gears, where the 6 speed box is 20, but as you say, you need to be able to give it right lock LOL

Mi/xsara box isn't far off either, though a fair gap up to 5th.

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Posted 21st Jul 2010 at 14:20
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yeah, bit of a jump into 5th on the vts

hopefully the power and lightness of the car wont cause it an issue,

as i have known working 1.9 box in my garage that i took out of the car to fit the 1.9, i will try that,

and see how i get on, it's even "slightly" lower reving on a cruise too Smile

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Posted 21st Jul 2010 at 14:33
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Post #12
spiky wrote:
yeah

just to note the graph dont show the 6th gear, but you can see the speeds on the data sheet


I was just gonna say, that's not the top speed of a GTI6 Whistle

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Posted 21st Jul 2010 at 15:41
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Berger's Supercharged Xsara has the original 5 speed box.

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Posted 21st Jul 2010 at 17:40
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Post #14
tvrfan007 wrote:
Berger's Supercharged Xsara has the original 5 speed box.


and........ LOL

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Posted 21st Jul 2010 at 17:43
vittesse_tuning

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Post #15
don't know if this helps.

306 td gear ratios
. Figure in brakets is MPH per 1000rpm
1st 0.2894 (4.805)
2nd 0.5348 (8.89)
3rd 0.8709 (14.47)
4th 1.2068 (20.05)
5th 1.5200 (25.27)
Rev 0.3000 (4.98)
Final Drive 0.2539 [16/63]

it looks about ok as mates now does 100 at 4k of clock at 6k

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Posted 21st Jul 2010 at 18:09
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What box have you got at the moment?

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Posted 21st Jul 2010 at 18:15
spiky

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Post #17
i must have it slight wrong as it says it will do just over 200..lol

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Posted 21st Jul 2010 at 18:18
spiky

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Post #18
daveyboy wrote:
What box have you got at the moment?


normal 205 gti 1.6 box

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Posted 21st Jul 2010 at 18:19
vittesse_tuning

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what is your redline?

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Posted 21st Jul 2010 at 18:22
spiky

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Post #20
got the right final drive

will do 200 at 7k rev's on my graph

again still womething not right

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Posted 21st Jul 2010 at 18:23
spiky

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Post #21
vittesse_tuning wrote:
what is your redline?


i dont know the redline of a low boost Big grin

which is what this post is about,

i know my current red line on my ITB setup Big grin

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Posted 21st Jul 2010 at 18:24
vittesse_tuning

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Post #22
well it does about 150 at 6k so 7k should do about 175.

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Posted 21st Jul 2010 at 18:25
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Post #23
every 1000 rpm in fith is worth 25mph. as long as there is enough power to pull it all the way then it should top out at about 175mph. mate turbo can't pull all the way to the redline in fith. gets close though.

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Posted 21st Jul 2010 at 18:28
spiky

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Post #24
thats way to low geared for me

thinkl i'll stick to the 1.9 box for now

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Posted 21st Jul 2010 at 18:28
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Post #25
ok. just an idea. in other gears it pulls great but 5th is pretty long. 306 hdi is even longer.

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Posted 21st Jul 2010 at 18:30

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