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daveyboy

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Post #26
Surely the lower geared 1.6 box will give you better acceleration which is more useful than out and out top speed?

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Posted 23rd Jul 2010 at 04:31
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Post #27
But

And I'm pretty site about this. It will rev out in 5th, so it's pointless Smile

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Posted 23rd Jul 2010 at 11:52
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Post #28
My redline is 7800 on my low boost iirc.

Tbh, if its for a track car, I would be inclined to keep the 1.6 box. You are very rarely going to hit the limit of the box on track in this country and quicker acceleration would be of much more benefit.
Keeping the 1.6 box would give a top speed of about 149mph with a redline of 7800.

Only place in the Uk I can think where you would hit the limit would possibly be a Silverstone trackday, and thats still a big if I think.

But, if your talking about a 'Ring beast, then it will almost certainly top out in about 3 places around the track... (with some committed driving)

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Posted 23rd Jul 2010 at 12:21
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Post #29
really 7800? is that the std setup map from rich?

i hit 6800 at combe and thats only with 195bhp so i was assuming that i would be getting up the rev range much quicker with the SC

i am about 200-300 kgs lighter than most SC cars so for the little power mine has lacking weight helps.

hence my worry that a 1.6 box will have me toping out half way down the straights

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Posted 23rd Jul 2010 at 12:22
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Aye, sure my limit is at 7800, that was how it was set by Rich.

All phase 1 cars ran a 7800 limit I think, it was dropped to ~7250 for the phase 2/3's

Seeing as you already have the 1.6 box fitted, then I would give it a go, nothing to lose and if you don't like it then grab a 1.9 and change it over Yes.

I have only driven a boosted 6 on Brands and Anglesey and the fastest I have got up to was an indicated 125 for Brands and I think a GPS speed of 128ish for Anglesey.

Cadwell I would expect about 125 indicated up the far straight;
Snett about 130 perhaps on the back straight;
Oulton again, about 125ish on the approach to the chicane and perhaps approaching lodge.

As for any other UK tracks, I couldn't comment as I have never driven them.

Even with you car being ~200kg lighter I really cant see you hitting 149mph on any uk tracks, bar Silverstone possibly as I say. I think the rate of acceleration once you get past ~140 will be such that you just wont have enough space to get to the redline in top gear.

You would however, definatly be getting nigh on to it at the 'Ring on the approach to Schwedenkruez, up the main straight (if its a closed trackday and not a TF day) and, if your balls are large enough, down through Fuchsröhre!

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Posted 23rd Jul 2010 at 17:58
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i have a 1.9 in the garage, i just think it's going to be quick, and when i do tracks like bedford and donnington and i will be coasting at the end of them, which is pointless

i hit 7k on bedford straight in 5th

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Posted 23rd Jul 2010 at 17:36
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Post #32
farmer wrote:
Aye, sure my limit is at 7800, that was how it was set by Rich.

All phase 1 cars ran a 7800 limit I think, it was dropped to ~7250 for the phase 2/3's

Seeing as you already have the 1.6 box fitted, then I would give it a go, nothing to lose and if you don't like it then grab a 1.9 and change it over Yes.


my limit is about 7800 in a phase three Dunno

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Posted 23rd Jul 2010 at 17:48
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Post #33
Go for the 1.9 box, even in a 1.6 gti the ratios feel close and you are forever changing gear so christ only knows what it would be like with a supercharged 6 engine you'd always be changing gear. Shame you couldn't bolt on an auto box, make for an interesting experiment Devil
Posted 23rd Jul 2010 at 17:49
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farmer, i expect its the same map for all phases

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Posted 23rd Jul 2010 at 17:59
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allesclar wrote:
farmer wrote:
Aye, sure my limit is at 7800, that was how it was set by Rich.

All phase 1 cars ran a 7800 limit I think, it was dropped to ~7250 for the phase 2/3's

Seeing as you already have the 1.6 box fitted, then I would give it a go, nothing to lose and if you don't like it then grab a 1.9 and change it over Yes.


my limit is about 7800 in a phase three Dunno


Thats 'cos you have Rich's map on your s/c car, they are all 7800.

Std cars ph 2/3 are 7250ish im talking about.

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Posted 23rd Jul 2010 at 18:01
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farmer, i expect its the same map for all phases


Correct, same map for all s/c cars.

When I was quoting different rev limits for different phases above I was talking about std engines.

Hence I know the s/c map is 7800 as its the same as the original phase 1 rev limit as my rev limit never changed on my car once the conversion was complete, where as everyone else once their conversion was done would have noticed an increased rev limit.

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Posted 23rd Jul 2010 at 18:21
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spiky wrote:
farmer, i expect its the same map for all phases


Correct, same map for all s/c cars.


The redline for high boost is higher right though? Unsure

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Posted 23rd Jul 2010 at 19:05
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dont know tbh Tom, you would have to ask Rich that.
That statement should have been same map for all low boost cars, not all s/c. Sorry for confusion!

Cant see why it would be higher though as there is no headwork involved in a highboost conversion so surely whatever revs a high boost car can take, a low boost car could take Dunno

or perhaps its due to the decreased compression ratio putting less pressure / stress on the valvetrain so the rpm can be increased Dunno

Im just guessing with the highboost, its not something I have looked into as I have no intention of going highboost.

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Posted 23rd Jul 2010 at 19:49
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What size wheels are you running Spiky?

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Posted 24th Jul 2010 at 02:08
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Post #40
the 15" c5 wheels

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Posted 24th Jul 2010 at 02:10
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Post #41
Well that will lower your gearing too compared to a 6. Again as Farmer said, I'd be tempted to give it a go, I don't think it's going to be much of an issue for you on most UK tracks as they just are'nt that long.

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Posted 24th Jul 2010 at 02:13
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i do have to disagree though, as i have a done a few track days and i think i will really struggle


but as i not test yet, i cant really comment, it's just a guess

where as i think i wont pull top revs in 5th at the track's

why would the c5 wheels give a lower gearing, same size as gti6 wheels

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Posted 24th Jul 2010 at 02:16
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Post #43
spiky wrote:
i do have to disagree though, as i have a done a few track days and i think i will really struggle


but as i not test yet, i cant really comment, it's just a guess

where as i think i wont pull top revs in 5th at the track's

why would the c5 wheels give a lower gearing, same size as gti6 wheels


My mistake, I forget Clones are 15" Roll eyes

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Posted 24th Jul 2010 at 03:09
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Post #44
Lol Smile

When you expecting yours? Any idea on power?

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Posted 24th Jul 2010 at 03:14
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Post #45
Sometime before I'm too old to climb over the door bars, and no idea. If it makes much less than 240 I'll be pretty bummed though.

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Posted 24th Jul 2010 at 03:21
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Post #46
oh, 240 na, will be awesome Big grin

and sound fricking awesome

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Posted 24th Jul 2010 at 03:23

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