Post #51
Tom, are you not using 803 injectors, if so you will never see 400hp as they are rated to 360hp!
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 pugheaven
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 Posted 7th Jun 2010 at 17:01
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spiky
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Post #52
803's "greens in the cossie scene" wont see 400 either  you will need blue, of possible greys, 400bhp in a cossie on blues, is RIGHT on their limit, around 97% duty cycle, so i would be looking at greys ( i used these on my escort) i used greens on my saff but that was only 350bhp. though these days people use Siemens 55lb Blacks for over 350bhp upto around 400ish i think ________________________________________ Do you need a 205 > 306 gti6 plug and go engine loom? PM METORQUES for all your braided fuel line needs MY YouTube Videos' SUPERCHARGED 205 GTI6.... are you Fooking nuts!.... ummmm YIP  268+BHP and 860kg = FUN |
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Posted 7th Jun 2010 at 17:05
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pugheaven
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Post #53
I agree with the above, it does seem that the siemens are the ones to go for. I have looked at what the cosworth boys use, most do use 803 but only because they are usin the chip to suit 803s. |
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Posted 7th Jun 2010 at 17:45
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spiky
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Post #54
the 803's are max'ed out on "genuine" 350and yeah been mapped to suit, and you "must" ONLY run a injectors which the chip is written for ________________________________________ Do you need a 205 > 306 gti6 plug and go engine loom? PM METORQUES for all your braided fuel line needs MY YouTube Videos' SUPERCHARGED 205 GTI6.... are you Fooking nuts!.... ummmm YIP 268+BHP and 860kg = FUN |
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Posted 7th Jun 2010 at 17:50
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pugheaven
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Post #55
Im thinkin of using the siemens for my build. with regards to the inlet, i dont think there is a reason for using the mi inlet however i believe it was cut open to remove the trumpets so its less restrictive? |
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Posted 7th Jun 2010 at 17:55
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spiky
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Post #56
interesting...ideally yo need trumpets of some sort to control the airflow equally into the ports. even the MIS (3k) manifold uses them the cossie engine does as standard too wonder if the gti6 inlet has bigger trumpets inside? ________________________________________ Do you need a 205 > 306 gti6 plug and go engine loom? PM METORQUES for all your braided fuel line needs MY YouTube Videos' SUPERCHARGED 205 GTI6.... are you Fooking nuts!.... ummmm YIP 268+BHP and 860kg = FUN |
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Posted 7th Jun 2010 at 18:01
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309btcc
**DODGY SELLER**  Location: england Registered: 07 Jul 2009 Posts: 530 Status: Offline |
Post #57
its a gti-6 and mi16 inlet weldid together. i know the car did run 400bhp before |
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Posted 7th Jun 2010 at 20:31
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pugheaven
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Post #58
I dont see how it ran 400 HP as the injectors are limited to 350-360, maybe 400 lbs/ft torque? |
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Posted 7th Jun 2010 at 21:42
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309btcc
**DODGY SELLER** Location: england Registered: 07 Jul 2009 Posts: 530 Status: Offline |
Post #59
ask colin he said it was wen the boost was rite up OK |
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Posted 8th Jun 2010 at 00:06
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binkagti
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Post #60
I think power wise was around 400 ft/lbs, prob around 350bhp, want to get it on a dyno at some point just to know what she makes, yes its an mi and gti6 mated together.It is a t34 turbo, custom built for better spooling time, comes on full boost around 4k. Not sure on exhaust housing will let you know ________________________________________ TEAM Supercharged Rallye |
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Posted 8th Jun 2010 at 00:19
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309btcc
**DODGY SELLER** Location: england Registered: 07 Jul 2009 Posts: 530 Status: Offline |
Post #61
coool i may ave miss heard him saying 400 ft/lbs |
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Posted 8th Jun 2010 at 00:24
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binkagti
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Post #62
Am running greens aswell, so looking at 360bhp because was told am on maximum cycle, might have to change these at some point and change the gearbox for a higher top speed, always something to do________________________________________ TEAM Supercharged Rallye |
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Posted 8th Jun 2010 at 00:34
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309btcc
**DODGY SELLER** Location: england Registered: 07 Jul 2009 Posts: 530 Status: Offline |
Post #63
ha ha its gunna fly m8 big time ido love the sound it makes tho like a scooby |
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Posted 8th Jun 2010 at 00:39
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #64
309btcc wrote: ha ha its gunna fly m8 big time ido love the sound it makes tho like a scooby only when it breaks down  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 8th Jun 2010 at 00:54
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peder_306
Regular Location: Gothenburg Registered: 23 May 2009 Posts: 131 Status: Offline |
Post #65
so the greens fits bult on a standard inlet? What gearbox do you have in mind? Diesel? ________________________________________ Peugeot 306 Dimma Coupé. |
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Posted 8th Jun 2010 at 00:54
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309btcc
**DODGY SELLER** Location: england Registered: 07 Jul 2009 Posts: 530 Status: Offline |
Post #66
its a proper animal |
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Posted 8th Jun 2010 at 00:59
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binkagti
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Post #67
Not sure on gearbox, maybe swapping a syncro in the 6 box for a diesel item, or a 5 speed might help for launching the car, the gti6 box has too high a first gear, and for a turbo takes forever to get going________________________________________ TEAM Supercharged Rallye |
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Posted 8th Jun 2010 at 01:20
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pugheaven
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Post #68
yes bosch 803s do fit using the standard inlet. I think im going to get the siemens 55lb black iirc injectors, im only hoping for 300hp 350 lbs ft torque at 1.2 bar boost. I can then turn the boost up once i learn how to use the right pedal again!Only and most important question is can i use the siemens and have them running at a low flow rate compared to runnung 803s at half the max flow rate. |
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Posted 8th Jun 2010 at 02:22
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spiky
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Post #69
what CR are you turbo guys running? just being nosey if i was running 8:0 CR t34 ( this is std on esc cossie with .63 housing) i would be expecting 340 BHP and around 330lbs torque be interesting to see what you guys get ________________________________________ Do you need a 205 > 306 gti6 plug and go engine loom? PM METORQUES for all your braided fuel line needs MY YouTube Videos' SUPERCHARGED 205 GTI6.... are you Fooking nuts!.... ummmm YIP 268+BHP and 860kg = FUN |
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Posted 8th Jun 2010 at 03:35
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pugheaven
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Post #70
Surely you would get more torque than that, and more torque than horse power. CR will be 8.1. Not building mine for a while just collecting parts. |
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Posted 8th Jun 2010 at 04:23
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spiky
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Post #71
Would need to know what boost.Mine is based on 21psi all the way to redline. ________________________________________ Do you need a 205 > 306 gti6 plug and go engine loom? PM METORQUES for all your braided fuel line needs MY YouTube Videos' SUPERCHARGED 205 GTI6.... are you Fooking nuts!.... ummmm YIP 268+BHP and 860kg = FUN |
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Posted 8th Jun 2010 at 11:34
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spiky
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Post #72
I don't do pub figures, At 21 psi my Cossie was 300bhp at the wheels. I know people that run a spike of 35psi at mid range and tail off to limiter, and others that run 30 psi all the way, the turbos do not last at this spec, where as my turbo was fine and did 15k miles with no issues. ________________________________________ Do you need a 205 > 306 gti6 plug and go engine loom? PM METORQUES for all your braided fuel line needs MY YouTube Videos' SUPERCHARGED 205 GTI6.... are you Fooking nuts!.... ummmm YIP 268+BHP and 860kg = FUN |
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Posted 8th Jun 2010 at 12:11
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binkagti
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Post #73
Boost would be around 28psi peak then tail of to 26psi,the engine is i think around 7.9 ________________________________________ TEAM Supercharged Rallye |
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Posted 8th Jun 2010 at 14:50
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spiky
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Post #74
sweet, you must be running a .63 housing then,and it will come in like a a bang at 3400 ish revs loved my cossie for that.you should see around 360 then cant wait to see the graph from this ________________________________________ Do you need a 205 > 306 gti6 plug and go engine loom? PM METORQUES for all your braided fuel line needs MY YouTube Videos' SUPERCHARGED 205 GTI6.... are you Fooking nuts!.... ummmm YIP 268+BHP and 860kg = FUN |
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Posted 8th Jun 2010 at 14:52
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binkagti
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Post #75
Yeah boost does come in nice and early and pulls hard, also need to get some solid boost pipes made.________________________________________ TEAM Supercharged Rallye |
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Posted 8th Jun 2010 at 18:16
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