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welshpug!

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Post #26
sod the non-independednt ford Crap LOL

Pug bearings only wear out after 10 years or so ....

Mini wishbones would be interesting to see, but I don't think there's enough wheelarch space as its designed for a wheel moving directly vertical, which the wheel on a Mini does not due to the unequal arms, boot floor is a lot higher on a mini to accomodate them too, so you'd need either VERY short travel, or raised rear ride height.

it is one of the reasons peugeot used their arrangement, getting a decent boot size+shape

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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 19:48
phillipm

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Post #27
I'm sure he wouldn't have much trouble giving the arches a bit more room tbh LOL

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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 19:53
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Post #28
welshpug! wrote:
sod the non-independednt ford Crap LOL

Pug bearings only wear out after 10 years or so ....

Mini wishbones would be interesting to see, but I don't think there's enough wheelarch space as its designed for a wheel moving directly vertical, which the wheel on a Mini does not due to the unequal arms, boot floor is a lot higher on a mini to accomodate them too, so you'd need either VERY short travel, or raised rear ride height.

it is one of the reasons peugeot used their arrangement, getting a decent boot size+shape


Would be easy to make the top arms adjustable on rose-joints so you could make them travel almost verticallty. I like the idea of the Mini ones as they are very long so the wheel would take a very straight path up and down if the arms were right. As for the inner arches, they could be cut away/reshaped without too much fuss. All just a case of how keen I'm feeling. I'm sure it would contravene the regs of DMN which is what I was aiming to race in eventually though.

Edit: Yes, Phil knows I have a plasma cutter and I'm not afraid to use it! Cool

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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 19:57
jonnie205

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i am not saying the ford stuff is the best but the pug rear beam is weak and not the best part to use if going with the turret route. The ford ka challenge cars handled excellent and there is a proflex damper available off the shelf. Plus it has a longer radius swing that the pug rear arms so will be better on the rough.
Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 20:17
welshpug!

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Post #30
phillipm wrote:
I'm sure he wouldn't have much trouble giving the arches a bit more room tbh LOL


its more the boot floor that is too low LOL

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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 20:28
daveyboy

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welshpug! wrote:
phillipm wrote:
I'm sure he wouldn't have much trouble giving the arches a bit more room tbh LOL


its more the boot floor that is too low LOL


Again, not a huge problem to sort, although it would mean cutting out the rear half of my cage now and re-designing it.Roll eyes

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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 20:31
mart.h.

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Post #32
ive just been measuring up and the complete rear section of my kit car would just about bolt under the peugeot boot floor
then you'd have double wishbone rear and coilovers Smile

ive just collected the box to make the rear turrets out of so it's time to start marking out and cutting the por little peugeot up once again
wish me luck
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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 20:37
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Post #33
mart.h. wrote:
ive just been measuring up and the complete rear section of my kit car would just about bolt under the peugeot boot floor
then you'd have double wishbone rear and coilovers Smile

ive just collected the box to make the rear turrets out of so it's time to start marking out and cutting the por little peugeot up once again
wish me luck
Smile


Is there actually any room for the wishbones to move up and down enough though?

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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 20:41
mart.h.

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Post #34
it would mean cutting out where the inner arch and boot floor meet
ill get some pics and measurements later
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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 21:07
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Post #35
mart.h. wrote:
it would mean cutting out where the inner arch and boot floor meet
ill get some pics and measurements later
Smile


Cool, best of luck with it, I'll follow this one closely.Smile

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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 21:10
mart.h.

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Post #36
ive made a start but i'm out of mig gas Sad

the coilover is only for mock up puposes again until funds allow me to but the correct ones

firstly the tapped out stub with coilover fitted
with the only m12 bolt i could find


steel cut and shaped ready for welding


the whole lot held together just to show how it will roughly be once finished



i ned to make up some 30mm spacers to keep the coilover from touching the wheel and obviously graft the turret to the car

also a couple of pics of the rear suspension on the kit car



after a bit of measuring it looks like the 2 top braces (above the diff) need to be fitted tight to the boot floor

also i could use the lobro shaft ends to keep the wheel bearing together
but for now ill fit up what i've got and then look at the kit car suspension later in the year if funding allows

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Posted 2nd Jun 2010 at 01:00
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Or you could leave the kit car shafts and diff where they are and spin your engine through 90 degrees
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Posted 2nd Jun 2010 at 16:59
mart.h.

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Post #38
not really as the prop would need shortening due to the fact its bolted straight to a bike engine Big grin

and the kit car is up for sale too once its been tidied up a bit Smile



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