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| Author | Subject: 406 V6 Discs Vs Ash's 310mm |
 welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #26
they are 6.5" J and the same ET12 offset, so they'd possibly have about ¼ of an inch less clearance, can't say for definite as I've never tried them, you may be lucky with them if you're using C5/Xantia discs and 406 brembo calipers.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
 Posted 14th May 2010 at 00:30
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gti_shane
Newbie  Location: sWINDON Registered: 05 Jun 2010 Posts: 2 Status: Offline |
Post #27
Anyone happen to know if this 310mm setup would fit a 106 gti as 306 gti brakes fit straight onto a 106. I have 406 brembos on my 106 at the moment but wanted something different as its become a popular upgrade on the 106 ocMany thanks |
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Posted 5th Jun 2010 at 21:18
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #28
as long as you have big enough wheels yes.immense overkill though! ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 6th Jun 2010 at 00:20
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro  Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
Post #29
welshpug! wrote: as long as you have big enough wheels yes. immense overkill though! You dont know what he has under the bonnet  ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 6th Jun 2010 at 00:27
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Rich E
Forum Admin Location: Hertfordshire Registered: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 7,757 Status: Offline |
Post #30
rallyestyle wrote: welshpug! wrote: as long as you have big enough wheels yes. immense overkill though! You dont know what he has under the bonnet Engine power is largely irrelevant in the context of what braking power is needed. It's the vehicle's mass you need to decelerate and the power levels of the engine won't affect that (unless it's a transplant obviously, but even then the weight change is negligible). You only need to consider brake upgrades if the standard equipment doesn't suit your driving style or if the vehicle's top speed has been significantly increased. ________________________________________ Rich |
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Posted 6th Jun 2010 at 03:55
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #31
precisely  just to highlight, the Citroen C2 R2 max and quite a few of the Saxo and 106 S1600 rally cars ran 315mm brembo's, alcons or AP's, as well as being balanced with a set of 260mm 2 pot rear's. but these cars are 200-230 bhp very short ratio'd cars, and give the brakes an absolute hammering every single stage. bear in mind that these cars have remote rest dampers and sticky tyres, as well as proper plate LSD's, so the time the tyre is in contact with the ground and the grip they have so much higher than a road car could dream of. stick these on a 106 road car and you'll end up locking wheels everywhere. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 6th Jun 2010 at 04:03
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lotek
Seasoned Pro  Location: Berkshire Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 6,107 Status: Offline |
Post #32
106gti callipers are more than up to the job on a 106 with decent pads.  gti6calipers make them lock up at every opportunity so brembos would be ridiculous.... if you want some info on 106 brakes google and phone jtech in reading they had a race 106 they ran. and will put you straight when it comes to 106 brakes. putting brembos on it will be purely for show . |
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Posted 6th Jun 2010 at 07:06
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gti_shane
Newbie Location: sWINDON Registered: 05 Jun 2010 Posts: 2 Status: Offline |
Post #33
Thanks for the imput guys. I still wanna try this as the squeel from my 406 brembos annoys me and i would like something different to the other 106's on the 106oc even if its not so obvious. Where should i be looking to get the 310mm discs for this conversion? Thanks again |
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Posted 7th Jun 2010 at 03:46
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dented_vts
Regular Location: london Registered: 23 Feb 2010 Posts: 440 Status: Offline |
Post #34
Rich E wrote: rallyestyle wrote: welshpug! wrote: as long as you have big enough wheels yes. immense overkill though! You dont know what he has under the bonnet Engine power is largely irrelevant in the context of what braking power is needed. It's the vehicle's mass you need to decelerate and the power levels of the engine won't affect that (unless it's a transplant obviously, but even then the weight change is negligible). You only need to consider brake upgrades if the standard equipment doesn't suit your driving style or if the vehicle's top speed has been significantly increased. A bit of a contradiction: "Engine power is largely irrelevant " yet, "or if the vehicle's top speed has been significantly increased" how else do you increase the top speed without increasing engine power! he he |
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Posted 7th Jun 2010 at 04:23
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Rich E
Forum Admin Location: Hertfordshire Registered: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 7,757 Status: Offline |
Post #35
Weight removal? Gearing? It depends what's at the limit when top speed is reached.The point I was getting at is that you'd upgrade the brakes because the car can now travel a lot faster not purely because you now have a lot more power. Would you need to upgrade the brakes if you had 400bhp but your gear ratios only allowed a top speed of 100mph? ________________________________________ Rich |
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Posted 7th Jun 2010 at 04:42
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dented_vts
Regular Location: london Registered: 23 Feb 2010 Posts: 440 Status: Offline |
Post #36
Rich E wrote: Weight removal? Gearing? It depends what's at the limit when top speed is reached. The point I was getting at is that you'd upgrade the brakes because the car can now travel a lot faster not purely because you now have a lot more power. Would you need to upgrade the brakes if you had 400bhp but your gear ratios only allowed a top speed of 100mph? i was being silly. All depends on use, what sort of tracks racing etc. Its once the weight goes up stopping become more difficult |
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Posted 7th Jun 2010 at 04:59
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spiky
Seasoned Pro  Location: Cardiff Registered: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,310 Status: Offline |
Post #37
application is a big factor too500hp cossie for the road would only need 4pots 500hp cossie (same gearing as road car) but used on track would need 6 or even 8 pots ________________________________________ Do you need a 205 > 306 gti6 plug and go engine loom? PM METORQUES for all your braided fuel line needs MY YouTube Videos' SUPERCHARGED 205 GTI6.... are you Fooking nuts!.... ummmm YIP 268+BHP and 860kg = FUN |
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Posted 7th Jun 2010 at 13:21
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adam b
Seasoned Pro  Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #38
spiky wrote: application is a big factor too 500hp cossie for the road would only need 4pots 500hp cossie (same gearing as road car) but used on track would need 6 or even 8 pots Depends on the calipers as well, more pots doesn't mean better braking. Porsche Cayenne Turbo 6 pots are far, far better than Tarox 10 pots with the same sized disc.  I have upgraded mine on a road car and even with everything else standard (cept the wheels obviously) I would thoroughly recommend the setup. There is a big, big difference. As a rule i've never found standard Peugeots to be badly under braked or have poor Peugeot pads. The only one I can really think of is the 406 saloon/estate V6 which has the same fronts as my 1.9 dTurbo 406. Slightly scary on something 200kgs heavier than a 6, but quicker and faster too...  ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 7th Jun 2010 at 14:14
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spiky
Seasoned Pro Location: Cardiff Registered: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,310 Status: Offline |
Post #39
sorry, on my example i was only thinking of APmy bad ________________________________________ Do you need a 205 > 306 gti6 plug and go engine loom? PM METORQUES for all your braided fuel line needs MY YouTube Videos' SUPERCHARGED 205 GTI6.... are you Fooking nuts!.... ummmm YIP 268+BHP and 860kg = FUN |
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Posted 7th Jun 2010 at 14:16
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spiky
Seasoned Pro Location: Cardiff Registered: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,310 Status: Offline |
Post #40
agree totally on caliper make though  ________________________________________ Do you need a 205 > 306 gti6 plug and go engine loom? PM METORQUES for all your braided fuel line needs MY YouTube Videos' SUPERCHARGED 205 GTI6.... are you Fooking nuts!.... ummmm YIP 268+BHP and 860kg = FUN |
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Posted 7th Jun 2010 at 14:17
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adam b
Seasoned Pro Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #41
spiky wrote: agree totally on caliper make though Big difference on the RS brembos versus the 406 ones as well. Quite a bit lighter with a bigger pad area. Didn't measure the piston size on them though. ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 7th Jun 2010 at 15:57
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #42
adam b wrote: As a rule i've never found standard Peugeots to be badly under braked or have poor Peugeot pads. Bendix aluminium calipers with solid discs on the front of mine as standard - if you were 5 up heading downhill you had both feet on the brake pedal! ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 7th Jun 2010 at 16:02
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adam b
Seasoned Pro Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #43
phillipm wrote: adam b wrote: As a rule i've never found standard Peugeots to be badly under braked or have poor Peugeot pads. Bendix aluminium calipers with solid discs on the front of mine as standard - if you were 5 up heading downhill you had both feet on the brake pedal! Realistically though Phil you wouldn't have made it up the hill 5-up to start with..  ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 7th Jun 2010 at 16:25
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #44
 ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 7th Jun 2010 at 16:30
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tvrfan007
Seasoned Pro  Location: In the garage Registered: 29 May 2005 Posts: 3,488 Status: Offline |
Post #45
adam b wrote: spiky wrote: agree totally on caliper make though Big difference on the RS brembos versus the 406 ones as well. Quite a bit lighter with a bigger pad area. Didn't measure the piston size on them though. Twin 40's versus 38/42 in the 406 iirc. ________________________________________ I'm Si btw Night Blue VW Golf GTD Bianca LBSC Rallye - Track/Road Slag Project Thread Sparkling Silver Mini Cooper D - Super Dooper  - (The other half's wheels) |
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Posted 7th Jun 2010 at 18:00
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