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| Author | Subject: 406 V6 Discs Vs Ash's 310mm |
 berger
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bathurst Registered: 26 Oct 2008 Posts: 1,068 Status: Offline |
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Apart from the weight saving (around 2kg a side?) what other advantages are there of Ash's kit over the 406 V6 discs when used with Renaultsport Brembos?I know Rich W had the V6 discs and then upgraded, anyone else? Is it just a squeel thing? As £100 for some 406 discs, or £300 for the fitting kit and £200 for some rotors, not much comparison there for me! ________________________________________ Bang'in 7 gram rocks!I have one gear, GO! |
 Posted 13th May 2010 at 02:36
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #2
no squeal!!they are more powerful and cope with far more heat too, simply epic with RC6's, not like anything I've experienced before  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 13th May 2010 at 03:06
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allesclar
Seasoned Pro  Location: Sheffield Registered: 17 May 2009 Posts: 4,254 Status: Offline |
Post #3
but damn expensive.________________________________________ Team allesclar ® |
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Posted 13th May 2010 at 03:10
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berger
Seasoned Pro Location: Bathurst Registered: 26 Oct 2008 Posts: 1,068 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: no squeal!! they are more powerful and cope with far more heat too, simply epic with RC6's, not like anything I've experienced before More powerful? Its a disc.... theres only 5mm diameter in it.... cant see that making FA difference Have you used both? I was just going to run OE Brembo V6 disc with OE Brembo pads. ________________________________________ Bang'in 7 gram rocks!I have one gear, GO! |
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Posted 13th May 2010 at 03:18
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
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5mm? its 310mm vs 288mm, that's 22mm....406 V6 brembo's only use 305mm when on a 405 or 406. the pistons are larger in the Renault sport brembo's, as well as a larger pad area. yes I have used both, granted one was on standard pads and the other on uprated, but there was a significant difference. I (and Adam who's car it was) couldn't live with the incessant howling, it can apparently be solved by using Tarox G88 discs, but they cost nearly as much as Ash's kit. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 13th May 2010 at 03:21
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berger
Seasoned Pro Location: Bathurst Registered: 26 Oct 2008 Posts: 1,068 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: 5mm? its 310mm vs 288mm, that's 22mm.... 406 V6 brembo's only use 305mm when on a 405 or 406. the pistons are larger in the Renault sport brembo's, as well as a larger pad area. yes I have used both, granted one was on standard pads and the other on uprated, but there was a significant difference. I (and Adam who's car it was) couldn't live with the incessant howling, it can apparently be solved by using Tarox G88 discs, but they cost nearly as much as Ash's kit. No, 310mm to 305mm, plenty of people seem to have used the 406 V6 305mm disc going from a past thread. I would be using the Renaultsport calipers with EITHER disc. Old Thread 6. Fiat/Alfa Brembos with 305x28 406 V6 Discs 16" (tomtomtom) 7. AP 4 Pots with 305x28 406 V6 Discs 16" (rallyestyle) 8. Brembo GT 4 pot with 406 305mm disc 16" 9. Clio 197 Brembos with 305x28 406 V6 Discs 16"(rich_w) 10. Clio 197 Brembos with 310x28 Rotors 16" (ash) - 2 piece discs 11. 406 V6 Brembo with 310x28 Rotors 16" (ash) - 2 piece discs ________________________________________ Bang'in 7 gram rocks!I have one gear, GO! |
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Posted 13th May 2010 at 03:27
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mr swampy s16
**BAD SELLER**  Location: out and about Registered: 22 Oct 2003 Posts: 10,550 Status: Offline |
Post #7
Even on the v6 coupe thebrakes squal a bit. |
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Posted 13th May 2010 at 03:29
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robthe6
Senior User  Location: northamptonshire Registered: 06 Jun 2008 Posts: 667 Status: Offline |
Post #8
they squeal because the disc is off centre to the caliper line right? is the caliper to far out or to far in causing the offset.________________________________________ 1997 ph1 bianca GTI6 - The looker1996 ph1 Sigma GTI6 - Dead  1999 Red Rallye - The Daily 2005 Nissan Navara D40 - Family car 1968 Mustang Coupe - The dirty little secret Put ya foot down, put ya foot down we'll loose em easy! |
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Posted 13th May 2010 at 08:59
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro  Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
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rob&the6 wrote: they squeal because the disc is off centre to the caliper line right? is the caliper to far out or to far in causing the offset. Not right  My Ap's squeal with the 406 V6 discs and they are dead centre in the caliper  I dont think it helps that i run some lairy brake pads with high carbon content as it seems at certain temps (dead cold or rather hot) there is no squeal.I made my kit as a budget performance kit and that it is, it came in under £700 and when replacing the discs its not going to cost me a testicle  I havent driven a car with Ash's kit on so cant compare but apart from the squeal i dont see there being a massive difference between the 2 as long as some good quality 406 V6 305mm discs are used ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 13th May 2010 at 14:27
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lotek
Seasoned Pro  Location: Berkshire Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 6,107 Status: Offline |
Post #10
i wouldnt mind using the 406 discs and calipers. shame it wont fit under 15's |
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Posted 13th May 2010 at 16:18
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adam b
Seasoned Pro  Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #11
I've moved from a 288mm xantia disc using the 406 brembos and standard pads to Ash's kit using RC6s.I guess part of the problem with comparing them is that the pads are very different, but one major factor will be the weight of the discs. Ash's weighed significantly less than the xantia discs and the RS calipers are larger and lighter as well. Pad and piston area is bigger too. If you want a passenger ride then i'm more than happy to scrape you off the windscreen/dash any time  PS do you have to get the 406 V6 discs machined to get them to fit on the 306 hub with the calipers then? Different offset isn't it..? ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 13th May 2010 at 16:23
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adam b
Seasoned Pro Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
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rallyestyle wrote: I havent driven a car with Ash's kit on so cant compare but apart from the squeal i dont see there being a massive difference between the 2 as long as some good quality 406 V6 305mm discs are used Time for another test drive? Very different car now  ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 13th May 2010 at 16:24
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
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adam b wrote: PS do you have to get the 406 V6 discs machined to get them to fit on the 306 hub with the calipers then? Different offset isn't it..? Not for my AP's but it may have been slightly different for Rich's setup  ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 13th May 2010 at 16:25
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lotek
Seasoned Pro Location: Berkshire Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 6,107 Status: Offline |
Post #14
the offset of the 406 disc puts it closer to wheel which stops you being able to space the caliper to fit. you would need epic spoke clearance and at least 17 wheels i would of thought |
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Posted 13th May 2010 at 16:32
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #15
or just 406 Coupe wheels...________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 13th May 2010 at 16:58
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berger
Seasoned Pro Location: Bathurst Registered: 26 Oct 2008 Posts: 1,068 Status: Offline |
Post #16
what offset is the standard disc, its about 43mm from memory? Plenty of other discs which could be redrilled that are around that offset. I had assumed there was a reason why the 406 disc was used, apart from no mods being needed to make it fit________________________________________ Bang'in 7 gram rocks!I have one gear, GO! |
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Posted 13th May 2010 at 17:20
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: or just 406 Coupe wheels... and hubs ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 13th May 2010 at 17:20
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hatemgti
Newbie  Location: Cairo Registered: 10 Feb 2009 Posts: 24 Status: Offline |
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berger wrote: welshpug! wrote: 5mm? its 310mm vs 288mm, that's 22mm.... 406 V6 brembo's only use 305mm when on a 405 or 406. the pistons are larger in the Renault sport brembo's, as well as a larger pad area. yes I have used both, granted one was on standard pads and the other on uprated, but there was a significant difference. I (and Adam who's car it was) couldn't live with the incessant howling, it can apparently be solved by using Tarox G88 discs, but they cost nearly as much as Ash's kit. No, 310mm to 305mm, plenty of people seem to have used the 406 V6 305mm disc going from a past thread. I would be using the Renaultsport calipers with EITHER disc. Old Thread 6. Fiat/Alfa Brembos with 305x28 406 V6 Discs 16" (tomtomtom) 7. AP 4 Pots with 305x28 406 V6 Discs 16" (rallyestyle) 8. Brembo GT 4 pot with 406 305mm disc 16" 9. Clio 197 Brembos with 305x28 406 V6 Discs 16"(rich_w) 10. Clio 197 Brembos with 310x28 Rotors 16" (ash) - 2 piece discs 11. 406 V6 Brembo with 310x28 Rotors 16" (ash) - 2 piece discs did the 406 v6 Brembo caliper works with 310x28 rotors that ash supplies?i thought its only for the Renault calipers only?!!! |
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Posted 13th May 2010 at 19:05
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
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hatemgti wrote: berger wrote: welshpug! wrote: 5mm? its 310mm vs 288mm, that's 22mm.... 406 V6 brembo's only use 305mm when on a 405 or 406. the pistons are larger in the Renault sport brembo's, as well as a larger pad area. yes I have used both, granted one was on standard pads and the other on uprated, but there was a significant difference. I (and Adam who's car it was) couldn't live with the incessant howling, it can apparently be solved by using Tarox G88 discs, but they cost nearly as much as Ash's kit. No, 310mm to 305mm, plenty of people seem to have used the 406 V6 305mm disc going from a past thread. I would be using the Renaultsport calipers with EITHER disc. Old Thread 6. Fiat/Alfa Brembos with 305x28 406 V6 Discs 16" (tomtomtom) 7. AP 4 Pots with 305x28 406 V6 Discs 16" (rallyestyle) 8. Brembo GT 4 pot with 406 305mm disc 16" 9. Clio 197 Brembos with 305x28 406 V6 Discs 16"(rich_w) 10. Clio 197 Brembos with 310x28 Rotors 16" (ash) - 2 piece discs 11. 406 V6 Brembo with 310x28 Rotors 16" (ash) - 2 piece discs did the 406 v6 Brembo caliper works with 310x28 rotors that ash supplies?i thought its only for the Renault calipers only?!!! He did a limited kit for the V6 brembos with 310x28 rotors prior to switching to the RS brembos ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 13th May 2010 at 19:12
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
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rallyestyle wrote: welshpug! wrote: or just 406 Coupe wheels... and hubs nope, the drive flange is the same. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 13th May 2010 at 19:30
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lotek
Seasoned Pro Location: Berkshire Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 6,107 Status: Offline |
Post #21
so you can bolt 406 brembos. discs and wheels to a 306 welshpug? and will run?wont the disc sit off centre in caliper? |
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Posted 13th May 2010 at 23:32
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
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lotek wrote: so you can bolt 406 brembos. discs and wheels to a 306 welshpug? Nope The calipers have different mounting points on the 406 so it wont all line up on a 306 ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 13th May 2010 at 23:56
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lotek
Seasoned Pro Location: Berkshire Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 6,107 Status: Offline |
Post #23
owww...s suppoes i could get adapters made up . are the coupe wheels 16 or 15 inch? im sure ive seen them selling on the bay as 15.. |
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Posted 14th May 2010 at 00:04
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
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lotek wrote: owww... s suppoes i could get adapters made up . are the coupe wheels 16 or 15 inch? im sure ive seen them selling on the bay as 15.. the o.p is talking about renfault sprot calipers and as they are radially mounted require an adapter regardless. (I missed this hence my comments earlier in the thread) V6 coupe wheels are 7x16" ET12, other coupes did use 15" of the same style. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 14th May 2010 at 00:11
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lotek
Seasoned Pro Location: Berkshire Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 6,107 Status: Offline |
Post #25
ok.do you know if the 15" versions have the same spoke clearance? and if they are 7j aswell? thanks |
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Posted 14th May 2010 at 00:18
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