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kezman7

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I fitted a new wishbone/balljoint and hub to the drivers front when the car was put on the road. The wheel sits on an angle (furture in at the bottom) also lately i have noticed a kinda popping noise or banging from around there but its not just over bumps.

Sometimes it is and sometimes does it also when just driving on a flat straight and no other noises when cornering either.

Could this be a balljoint/suspension problem or other? never knocked this side (other side yes) but i did notice the CV boot clip had come loose so i replaced it with a jubilee but could it be also the driveshaft?

Really getting annoyed at the hassle and problems of fitting an engine yourself, i know i know but its a learning curve all the same

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Posted 22nd Jan 2010 at 03:19
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welshpug!

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sounds like a non-PAS balljoint, take it off and throw it at parts guy and request the right one.

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Posted 22nd Jan 2010 at 03:29
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kezman7

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I did hear they are shorter, if thats the cause of the leaning wheels will this also cause the noises? Its more of a pop noise than a bang but it also does it when the cars been stood still overnight, well iv noticed it happen yesterday and today.
Posted 22nd Jan 2010 at 03:42
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armzsc6

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i've just fitted 2x front wishbones and balljoints to my 6, i'm convinced i have the same problem, had to go for pattern parts due to lack of funds and had 1x fooked ball joint and 2x p-bushes on the wishbones badly gone. The steering has gone very light which is to be expected with new ball joints i suppose, but it pulls you all over the road whenever you hit any sort of bump or diffferent camber angle.
Also on full lock either way the steering tends to want to pull you further on lock rather than try to straighten up as it should,

It also sometimes clonks as if the wheels are jumping about on full lock as well, did it very badly several times reversing on lock just now on an icy car park...
Cant say i've noticed an odd camber angle though and put new nd old wishbones together before fitting. mine is lowered 35mm on OMP shocks if makes any diff?

Ball joint lengths differ you say? or whole wishbone is shorter? Will have a measure of both on wes at work.

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Posted 9th Feb 2010 at 05:24
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phillipm

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Have you had the tracking done?

Anyhow, it's the balljoint that's shorter, the popping noise is probably the driveshaft given it's now shorter than it should be running.

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Posted 9th Feb 2010 at 05:29
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armzsc6

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not had tracking done but if the wishbones and ball joints are the same as the originals then shouldnt be affected.

They did ask if it had PAS so should be correct but will have a serious look at this... Will have the car on a ramp at work on wednesday when the boss isnt in Wink
I cant imagine its doing the driveshafts or my tyres any good if they are to short though!!

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Posted 9th Feb 2010 at 05:34
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phillipm

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It will be affected, there'll more than a mm per side telerance just in the bolt holes, never mind the bushes and actual manufacturing, so if it all looks alright go and get it tracked up and try it then.

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Posted 9th Feb 2010 at 05:43
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armzsc6

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yeh fair nuff i can see there being potential for a lot of play with buggered bushes etc. But i've just been reading through an old thread on wishbone lengths where a kiddy had serious ammounts of toe in from shorter ball joints. I dont have that but stil think could well be shorter joints. At least i have a few ideas of what to look for, if i find nothing then will put it on the lazer alignment machine. I wouldnt trust ours any further than i could throw it though lol coz its bout 17 years old and i hate the bloody thing so looks like more expense Sad
Cheers for the advice tho Wink

Btw kezman did you sort yours out? would be good to no considering similar probs etc.

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Posted 9th Feb 2010 at 05:53
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2 pieces of string and a tape measure...Wink

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Posted 9th Feb 2010 at 05:57
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kezman7

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Not yet but im going to replace the wishbone again with a gen pug one as it was ok before i prplaced it, I still have the old one so can measure them one day this week
Posted 9th Feb 2010 at 06:17
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armzsc6

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measured the distance from the centre of the middle bolt to the centre of the ball joint on the under side on the old and new today and both were te same, so either slightly shorter wishbones or really out tracking, find out tomorow hopefully anyway Wink

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Posted 9th Feb 2010 at 23:34
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armzsc6

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Last night in some light snow i found out that the clonk on lock when moving is caused by the front wheels pushing each other apart and causing the tyre to jump sideways.

Checked sizes of everything visible on old and new wishbones today and though they look and measure very similar they are clearly not, Our lazer alignment machine measured both front wheels to be toeing in just over 1.3 degrees a side! Total toe was about 2.7 degrees!! However as this was identicle both sides all i had to do was adjust the toe and its now perfect. The car drives spot on wouldnt even think its the same motor.

However there is very little adjustment left on the tie rod ends so if it had been much further out then wouldnt have been able to sort!

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Posted 11th Feb 2010 at 01:20
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phillipm

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Posted 11th Feb 2010 at 01:23
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