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Where can I get a 5 or 6 speed dog-shift box for my 306 gti-6 to a OK price? or
a strong 6 speed manual gearbox whit dif?
my 3 and 5 gear is broken. Got 240 HP (N/A tuned)
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 ricknorbat
Newbie  Location: Asker Registered: 26 Mar 2008 Posts: 13 Status: Offline |
or a strong 6 speed manual gearbox whit dif? my 3 and 5 gear is broken. Got 240 HP (N/A tuned) |
 Posted 24th Jan 2010 at 17:03
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SteviePut
Seasoned Pro  Location: Down south Registered: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 13,637 Status: Offline |
Post #2
How much money are you will to spend? A sequential would be silly money. IIRC Pug sport sell 5 speed dog gear set. I'm not 100% on that tho ________________________________________ My old man wrote me a letter from prison once. It said if you don't want to end up in here, stay away from crime, women and drugs. Trouble is, that don't leave you much else to do, does it? |
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Posted 4th Jan 2010 at 04:24
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fletch
Track Head  Location: The nearest Shell garage Registered: 12 Jun 2004 Posts: 12,273 Status: Offline |
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Whats an 'OK' price?  You're going to SERIOUSLY dip into you pocket for something youre asking? Perhaps a 6 speed BE box with shot peened or cryo-frozen internals might cut it? IT would be a damn sight cheaper too. |
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Posted 4th Jan 2010 at 04:31
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cabbymeg
Regular  Location: Alfreton/Derbyshite Registered: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 323 Status: Offline |
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I can't really see the need. There are plenty of people running that power and more on this site on std 'box's |
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Posted 4th Jan 2010 at 04:33
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ricknorbat
Newbie Location: Asker Registered: 26 Mar 2008 Posts: 13 Status: Offline |
Post #5
The reason why I am looking for a dog shift are because my gearbox is broken. It is fun to drive to If there is posible to get a strong 6 shift manual box whit a good dif to a much lower cost, I am up to it  ps. Not sure about price yet, because I have not been able to do some resourch. |
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Posted 4th Jan 2010 at 04:34
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ricknorbat
Newbie Location: Asker Registered: 26 Mar 2008 Posts: 13 Status: Offline |
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fletch wrote: Whats an 'OK' price? You're going to SERIOUSLY dip into you pocket for something youre asking? Perhaps a 6 speed BE box with shot peened or cryo-frozen internals might cut it? IT would be a damn sight cheaper too. What is the price for this in UK? I live in Norway  |
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Posted 4th Jan 2010 at 04:37
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fletch
Track Head Location: The nearest Shell garage Registered: 12 Jun 2004 Posts: 12,273 Status: Offline |
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ricknorbat wrote: fletch wrote: Whats an 'OK' price? You're going to SERIOUSLY dip into you pocket for something youre asking? Perhaps a 6 speed BE box with shot peened or cryo-frozen internals might cut it? IT would be a damn sight cheaper too. What is the price for this in UK? I live in Norway Probably about |
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Posted 4th Jan 2010 at 04:41
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro  Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,894 Status: Offline |
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ricknorbat wrote: fletch wrote: Whats an 'OK' price? You're going to SERIOUSLY dip into you pocket for something youre asking? Perhaps a 6 speed BE box with shot peened or cryo-frozen internals might cut it? IT would be a damn sight cheaper too. What is the price for this in UK? I live in Norway i thought you was in york. ________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 4th Jan 2010 at 04:51
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro  Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #9
Sadev dog box is around ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 4th Jan 2010 at 05:09
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fletch
Track Head Location: The nearest Shell garage Registered: 12 Jun 2004 Posts: 12,273 Status: Offline |
Post #10
pete_rallye wrote: Apparently straight cut gears aren't as strong as helical cut as there is less surface area on the teeth to help spread the load. Surely there is more surface area with straight cut Pete? |
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Posted 4th Jan 2010 at 05:41
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Welly
Forum Admin Location: Brizzle Registered: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,796 Status: Offline |
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fletch wrote: pete_rallye wrote: Apparently straight cut gears aren't as strong as helical cut as there is less surface area on the teeth to help spread the load. Surely there is more surface area with straight cut Pete? Thought it was more to do with shear forces. Dog boxes are quite harsh on the change and knock the teeth hard. I'll dig iut something i did ages ago in the Admin section about gearboxes for an FAQ i did to explain them all ________________________________________ Life is a lie. The only certainty of which is death. Go live and enjoy yourself. The clock is tickingVrs power!! |
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Posted 4th Jan 2010 at 05:45
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fletch
Track Head Location: The nearest Shell garage Registered: 12 Jun 2004 Posts: 12,273 Status: Offline |
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fletch wrote: pete_rallye wrote: Apparently straight cut gears aren't as strong as helical cut as there is less surface area on the teeth to help spread the load. Surely there is more surface area with straight cut Pete? Scratch that, makes sense when you think about it. |
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Posted 4th Jan 2010 at 06:14
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cress87
Seasoned Pro  Location: Norwich Registered: 30 Mar 2007 Posts: 11,360 Status: Offline |
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Helical gears do have more surface area and that's why they can accept more load than straight cut gears.  ________________________________________  You feed beefburgers to swans. I may have been speeding Mr Policeman but [a] I live for the 306 and [b] did you see that dog? omfg |
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Posted 4th Jan 2010 at 06:22
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adam b
Seasoned Pro  Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
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How much torque are you trying to put through it? There was also a thread on using ML gearboxes instead as they are stronger.________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 4th Jan 2010 at 14:08
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binkagti
Seasoned Pro  Location: canterbury Registered: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,411 Status: Offline |
Post #15
Dont think any need really for the gearbox, i was using a standard gearbox with kaaz diff with around 460ft/lbs and that was fine. Just my opinion________________________________________ TEAM Supercharged Rallye |
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Posted 4th Jan 2010 at 15:46
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
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how often did you REALLY use that 460 lbs though? and when you did, I bet it was all wheelspin  Sadev do a box that'll do the trick, its about 18k with the bellhousing and driveshafts IIRC. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 4th Jan 2010 at 15:59
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binkagti
Seasoned Pro Location: canterbury Registered: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,411 Status: Offline |
Post #17
a fair amount of abuse, not a full track day mind. And yes mostly wheelspin lol________________________________________ TEAM Supercharged Rallye |
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Posted 4th Jan 2010 at 16:00
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rich_w
Seasoned Pro  Location: Havant, Hampshire Registered: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 5,412 Status: Offline |
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binkagti wrote: a fair amount of abuse, not a full track day mind. And yes mostly wheelspin lol Tom, How is your car doing now? Is it all sorted? Rich ________________________________________ Contact Details:rich@lynxpowerengineering.co.uk 07732 822546 |
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Posted 4th Jan 2010 at 17:13
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mechanical_repairs
Seasoned Pro  Location: leicester Registered: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 12,122 Status: Offline |
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rich_w wrote: binkagti wrote: a fair amount of abuse, not a full track day mind. And yes mostly wheelspin lol Tom, How is your car doing now? Is it all sorted? Rich As above as last time i heard you had some problems with it. Carl ________________________________________ C.G.Cars of Leicester, Peugeot/Citroen/Renault specialist Tel: 01162 624498/07799 405184 WWW.CGCARSLEICESTER.CO.UK36 narborough road south, Leicester LE3 2fn MOT station now open, tests £35 with a free retest. Recovery available with a recovery unit, for those not so local jobs Also offer the loan of a free courtesy car 306 dturbo |
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Posted 4th Jan 2010 at 17:17
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dj_turbo
Regular Location: Shaftesbury Registered: 11 Jun 2005 Posts: 219 Status: Offline |
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The sadev is 6k bare when we fitted in in james car he didnt have any change from 10k but after driving it its worth every penny! |
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Posted 5th Jan 2010 at 00:38
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #21
is that on a 1600 engine? that is limited in how much torque it can take, even a standard 2.0 XU is close on that box, needs to be the next one up in the range ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 5th Jan 2010 at 00:50
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #22
The sadev dog box will only take 181 lbft, the bigger sequentials are better though and will take 250 lbft. The only FWD sequential I have found that will take a lot of torque is the Hewland EGT which will take 300 lbft. Thats ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 5th Jan 2010 at 01:16
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dj_turbo
Regular Location: Shaftesbury Registered: 11 Jun 2005 Posts: 219 Status: Offline |
Post #23
Thats the 6 speed st74 i think that we used in james its only 1400 so no a problem as stated its not ratted to 200lbft but steve at swr says hes sold them to people who are putting that through them with no problem but have to be taken care of and the shift cut set correctly. sadev do another model up it was around 2k more when i was looking at fitting it in mine. |
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Posted 5th Jan 2010 at 01:24
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pdd144c
Senior User  Location: Southampton Registered: 09 Dec 2005 Posts: 550 Status: Offline |
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I had a couple of Hewland HP 2000 a few years back and they were only rated to approx 300 nm off the top of my head. The problem is the fact they are FWD, the only FWD race cars tend to be 2.0 N/A engines, hence why the boxes are designed to cope with their kind of power/torque figures.________________________________________ FOR SALE205 Turbo Technics complete and 306 Rallye Race Build breaking. |
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Posted 5th Jan 2010 at 02:51
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ricknorbat
Newbie Location: Asker Registered: 26 Mar 2008 Posts: 13 Status: Offline |
Post #25
It`s a 2.0l (standard gti-6 engine) xu10j4rI can see that the price is not cheap for a dog box |
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Posted 5th Jan 2010 at 03:04
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