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Author Subject: Crunches in to second when moving?
mrorange2

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I have a strange problem my pug had the gearbox oil changed a bit ago since then i have found it hard to get it in gear its got better and can now get it in gear okay except second but only when your moving when stationary goes in to all gears fine but when moving it very hard to get it in second. Im 100% sure the gearbox mount is on its way out or gone could this be the problem? I had the linkages etc checked they are fine.

Any help would be great
Posted 14th Dec 2009 at 10:17
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Sure you checked but make sure there is actually enough oil in the box...

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Posted 14th Dec 2009 at 17:15
mrorange2

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Is there a quick way to do this?
Posted 14th Dec 2009 at 17:16
nick306gti6

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im also getting this problem with mine, but only when im going for it... im really not sure want it is as al the other gears seem to be okay.
im going to be doing the clutch on it in the next few weeks i was just wondering if there is anything i should look out for with this problem.
Posted 2nd Jan 2010 at 22:39
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Common for the Synro hub's to get weak depending on what oil has been used in the past, And its one of the most abused gear's along with 3rd really.
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Posted 3rd Jan 2010 at 07:55
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My gearbox was fine, however since the clutch was changed in refuses to go into third on downshifts, it is seriously like trying to get it in reverse. Will try pug oil next week but not hopeful...
Posted 3rd Jan 2010 at 08:16
murphy

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Hmmm mine does it in 2nd aswell, but only when dropping down into 2nd???? If i go for it, it shifts upto 2nd no probs just changing down at speed or just slowly down.
Posted 29th Jan 2010 at 15:42
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Hmm I have similar problems. When cold lower gears are hard to engage, once warm its fine though, apart from changing down to 2nd. When giving it full throttle all changes are smooth, up and down, and throughout ALL the range !! 2nd gear always tends to be my problem gear though, now and again crunching aswell Sad

Now, I have had the clutch changed, new box oil, new clutch cable, and everything checked generally and all seems in fine fettle. So i'm a bit confused, I understand 2nd probably gets the most hammer and I've thought to myself that maybe the synchro mesh is wearing/worn out, would this tally with my descriptions ?

Anyone had experiance with, or had a 'box rebuilt, or at least synchros replaced ? And how much wonga we talking ?

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Posted 1st Feb 2010 at 21:54
ry

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mine's a bit crunchy going into 2nd when cold, but after 5/10 minutes it's fine when it's warmed up a bit more.

used to do this on my old one, and generally had 20/25k in that with no issues, and this is fine still too.

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Posted 5th Feb 2010 at 18:22
johnya

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ry wrote:
mine's a bit crunchy going into 2nd when cold, but after 5/10 minutes it's fine when it's warmed up a bit more.

used to do this on my old one, and generally had 20/25k in that with no issues, and this is fine still too.
My ph1 is exactly the same , when cold it doesn't like to go into 2nd either changing up or down. 93000, ph1 biancaLove Roughly what would it cost for a garage to change the gearbox oil? inc labour, does anyone know offhand? thanks. John
Posted 7th Feb 2010 at 03:59
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mine also done this until Smug when taking my subframe off i tightened the selector ball/fork and tada problem solved LOL

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Posted 7th Feb 2010 at 04:05
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johnya lazy git do it yourself haha not that hard and saves you cash look in the f.a.q section

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Posted 7th Feb 2010 at 04:07
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hovis16 wrote:
johnya lazy git do it yourself haha not that hard and saves you cash look in the f.a.q section
Crazy Will do, thanksWink
Posted 7th Feb 2010 at 04:09
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tom tom go wrote:
Hmm I have similar problems. When cold lower gears are hard to engage, once warm its fine though.


Tom, I have this exact problem. The bloke I bought it off had it for about 5 years, and he said it's always been like that Confused

It's a bit of a pain in the arse to engage 1st to second, and also from 2nd back to 1st, but it becomes smooth after 5 minutes like everybody else.

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Posted 7th Feb 2010 at 06:04
ian7675

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Most of these gearboxes crunch going into second when cold. It's perfectly fine.

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Posted 7th Feb 2010 at 13:26
armzsc6

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Try putting a thinner oil in the gearbox, mine was terrible last winter when it was cold, used to just skip 2nd and go for 3rd, Tried about 4 different types of gear oil to rectify and none were any good, Then put 10W/40 engine oil in instead about a year ago and so much smoother in every gear and much easier to get into second when cold. Also greased the ball on the linkage which helps.
If you still have problems then you can use ATF e.g TQdexeron etc which is even thinner, Vauxhaul use ATF in all their gearbox's as standard anyway... Not sure how pug syncro's would be on it though i'll try somewhen.

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Posted 13th Feb 2010 at 18:49
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armzs16 wrote:
Try putting a thinner oil in the gearbox, mine was terrible last winter when it was cold, used to just skip 2nd and go for 3rd, Tried about 4 different types of gear oil to rectify and none were any good, Then put 10W/40 engine oil in instead about a year ago and so much smoother in every gear and much easier to get into second when cold. Also greased the ball on the linkage which helps.
If you still have problems then you can use ATF e.g TQdexeron etc which is even thinner, Vauxhaul use ATF in all their gearbox's as standard anyway... Not sure how pug syncro's would be on it though i'll try somewhen.



BAD move, pug boxes are sensitive to the correct grade oils, use the wrong one and the synchro's don't last as long at all, shifting quality becomes even worse.

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Posted 13th Feb 2010 at 21:13
deanstacey

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Hi

Reading this with interest along with other posts on cold gear changes, wondering if anyone can help me.

A while ago I had a gear box that was holding gears and whining a bit. I have some plans for the car and as it has done 103K I thought I'd treat it to a gearbox re-condition. This was done by a big transmision company in Reading who charged quite a bit!

I went to pick it up and after 300mtrs returned it to them as I couldn't get second. Now I'm assuming they drove it when warm and the gear changes were ok but when I picked it up the car was cold, hence the duff changes.

They had a look and called me to say it was now ok, I picked it up and it was, but thinking back it might have been warm to the gear changing was ok.

It soon became apparent that it still wouldn't change when cold and was left with them again for a week. When they phoned me to say it was done I asked if they had tried it from cold and they said yes.

It isn't and I went if fuming but the manager was on holiday so I'm going back next Tuesday.

I understand that a few of you have cold crunching on your old boxes, but this is supposed to be re-conditioned. I'm sure as hell certain that all 6's and Rallye's didn't do this from new!!

So my question to you is this. Am I being unreasonable to expect a reconditioned box (new bearings but not synchro's (although they now say they have replaced 2nd but I'm not sure I believe them)) to crunch?

Any thought would be appreciated before my Tuesday argument/refund,

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Posted 21st Oct 2010 at 01:51
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could be your release bearing on the clutch

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Posted 21st Oct 2010 at 02:35
deanstacey

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They put a new clutch in whilst they were there (Valeo) and it didn't have cold crunching issues before it went in.

Is the release bearing something that would have been done with the new clutch?
Posted 21st Oct 2010 at 03:06
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Just though I'd update this as the problem has been sorted!

I asked them to confirm the oil they used, they told me it was the recomended grade and showed me the book - 75/90. I pointed out it should be 75/80, left it overnight and picked it up in the morning. A couple of cold starts later and again yesterday when it was frosty and all is sorted - no more crunching.

So my advice to those with crunching boxes, check your oil grade.

Posted 16th Nov 2010 at 17:21
owain

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And if that's not it, check your gaiter. I had a crunchy gearbox on my old estate once, turned out I'd dropped some McCoys in between the two front seats.

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