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chrisd306

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Is there a diffrence between makes of standard discs? when i say diffrence mean are they diff sizes not the overall size i know there all 283mm, just im trying to fit my wilwoods, but the disc keep jamming up, ive tried my orginal discs genuine pug, and lucas discs, both jam up with wilwoods but are fine with standard callipers, waiting on a set of delphi discs coming out, the callipers only fit 1 way so i cant see what im doing wrong, it must be the disc, as these came of a gti6 so they deff should fit with out any problems, the disc looks squint when you get the calliper bolted up,

anyone help??

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Posted 25th Nov 2009 at 00:20
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probably need wilwood discs if they were bought as a kit, try rallydesign, I think they're usually 285mm and probably a different offset.

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Posted 24th Nov 2009 at 16:48
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Im pretty sure all discs are the same size no matter what the make Yes

What do you mean by jamming up? Is the car in gear when you try to spin the disc? Without the calipers does the disc sit flat against the hub as it should?

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Posted 24th Nov 2009 at 16:48
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welshpug! wrote:
probably need wilwood discs if they were bought as a kit, try rallydesign, I think they're usually 285mm and probably a different offset.


As far as im aware the kit was designed to be used with standard GTI6 size discs, thats if its one of Welly's kits?

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Posted 24th Nov 2009 at 16:50
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i bought these of roland rat, after looking at the pads, these have been running squint for a while, so ot sure if the bracket isint square, dont know if it is wellys kit or not, but if it is i would be tempted to check the pads if you have wellys kit.

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Posted 24th Nov 2009 at 16:54
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These are a set that are designed to run standard discs

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Posted 24th Nov 2009 at 16:56
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Its unlikely to be an issue with the discs so the bracket could be the cause. It should be evident to the eye if it is straight or not, odd though as i cant imagine how it wouldnt be, think phil made them all up in a batch using the machine Yes

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Posted 24th Nov 2009 at 17:06
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Should be ok as ash done 1k with them and they were fine, but they have worn funny, so i will try and get up some pics up, if anyone else has this setup could they check there brakes at somepoint.

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Posted 24th Nov 2009 at 17:16
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These arent wellys kit, theywere on a 106 and ash's 306 with the same discs, so likely they are ment to be run with the wilwood discs, and im sure there expensive!!

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Posted 24th Nov 2009 at 17:22
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chrisd306 wrote:
These arent wellys kit, theywere on a 106 and ash's 306 with the same discs, so likely they are ment to be run with the wilwood discs, and im sure there expensive!!


That probably explains it then Thumbs up

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time to ring rallydesign then Smile

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Posted 24th Nov 2009 at 20:31
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Ash is sending me the discs that he was running, still doesnt explain the uneven pad wear, as if both have been running squint, will update later on with pics once im hame

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Posted 24th Nov 2009 at 21:15
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Ash is sending me the discs that he was running, still doesnt explain the uneven pad wear, as if both have been running squint, will update later on with pics once im hame


All pistons moving smoothly?

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Its probably the rally design kit where you have to use there "expensive" disc's Dry

Wellys kit just uses standard discs and fit fine, suppose you could try to get hold of a set of brackets off phil if he has any left, and then use the standard discs

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Posted 24th Nov 2009 at 23:24
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i didnt check, but both callipers have exact same where on the pads, im just up loading pics the now

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Posted 24th Nov 2009 at 23:51
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I thought these were a welly kit already, but ash is sending me his discs, so should be ok, anyone know how much the rally design discs are??

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Posted 25th Nov 2009 at 00:07
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anyone now why they have wore like this??

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Posted 25th Nov 2009 at 00:42
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anyone now why they have wore like this??

I think its because your discs are the wrong offset, the rallydesign discs for their kit are 285 x 21mm x ? offset where as standard gti-6 discs are 283 x 22mm with an offset of 27.3 (i think)

Edit, measure the gap between your discs and the wilwood calipers (with pads removed), the disc should be bang centre, if the disc is not central then your discs are the wrong offset

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Posted 25th Nov 2009 at 01:01
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These have been running with the correct discs.

I didnt get discs with them but the guy before me had them on his with the right discs as they fitted his car, you cant get the callipers on with gti6 discs, so ive not covered any miles with them.

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Posted 25th Nov 2009 at 01:12
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Hmm dunno then, maybe sticking piston? or air still in system behind one of the pistons? did you bleed them from the top bleed nipples?

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Posted 25th Nov 2009 at 01:17
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ive not fitted these yet, as i cant as dont have the right discs, but im sure ash had blead them right, maybe not, as the wear is identical between all 4 pads, looks as if the discs were squint, but everything looks square, think it maybe they werent blead properly, will see what the discs are like that come for them an see how they sit, hope it is just air in the system thats caused it.

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Posted 25th Nov 2009 at 01:22
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Sticking piston or the mountings aren't square on the bracket/car.
My brake mounts weren't square on my car - bit of casting debris, throwing the calipers off slightly, I filed them flat and true when I got it.

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Posted 25th Nov 2009 at 04:09
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will check the pistons the moro

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Posted 25th Nov 2009 at 04:10
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davedgti6 wrote:
Hmm dunno then, maybe sticking piston? or air still in system behind one of the pistons? did you bleed them from the top bleed nipples?


thats how i bled them after phillip pointed out that air rises to me Doh
Posted 25th Nov 2009 at 04:12
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LOL

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Posted 25th Nov 2009 at 04:15
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