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 cabbymeg
Regular  Location: Alfreton/Derbyshite Registered: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 323 Status: Offline |
Post #1
Hi all please help!I've had a judder from the clutch for a while now. Mr Clutch fitted a new clutch last year, so I took it back to them under guarantee. They replaced the clutch FOC just over 2 weeks ago and it was fantastic, much nicer to drive etc. Now since then the judder has returned and is now just as bad as before it was replaced. It's had a new clutch, clutch cable and lower/upper engine mounts. What the hell could it be? Flywheel maybe? |
 Posted 4th Dec 2009 at 20:29
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miles
Seasoned Pro  Location: Ringwood Registered: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 3,433 Status: Offline |
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Clutch, you pay peanut's you get monkey's I;m afraid, Take A Valeo clutch into them and get them to fit that.________________________________________ 306 Rallye Sptint/Race Car, 205 CTI 1.9 8v to name a fewRoad, Track and Race/Rally car preparation to your personal requirements, Full Workshop & Diagnostic Facilities New and Second parts, from Plugs to Turbo's We now also carry out Routine Servicing www.pugracing.com & FB Page, https://www.facebook.com/PugRacing Ebay; http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Pug-Racing-Shop 2012/2013/2014/2019 Class Winners at Gurston Down Speed Hillclimb & Joint overall, Class record too along the way, |
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Posted 17th Oct 2009 at 02:06
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cabbymeg
Regular Location: Alfreton/Derbyshite Registered: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 323 Status: Offline |
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miles wrote: Clutch, you pay peanut's you get monkey's I;m afraid, Take A Valeo clutch into them and get them to fit that. Sorry but I don't think it'll be the clutch. It's had an LUK one fitted which are good clutches, and anyway even a cheap clutch will last more that 2 weeks gentle driving don't you think?! |
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Posted 17th Oct 2009 at 02:29
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bobdylan_55
Seasoned Pro  Location: derby Registered: 28 Mar 2009 Posts: 1,466 Status: Offline |
Post #4
arnt LUK them ones off ebay which the springs fly out of after like 80 miles? ________________________________________ 309 GTi6-T |
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Posted 17th Oct 2009 at 02:42
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adam b
Seasoned Pro  Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #5
Nah LUK are normally good.Do you deffo know that it was a LUK one fitted? Could be an oil leak on to the clutch plate from somewhere like the rocker gaskets. Also check that the box hasn't come loose from the engine. A cynic might say you've had two clutches from them and they have both gone wrong. ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 17th Oct 2009 at 02:50
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cabbymeg
Regular Location: Alfreton/Derbyshite Registered: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 323 Status: Offline |
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bobdylan_55 wrote: arnt LUK them ones off ebay which the springs fly out of after like 80 miles? Hmm, let me think about that ......... http://www.luk.co.uk/ |
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Posted 17th Oct 2009 at 02:50
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cabbymeg
Regular Location: Alfreton/Derbyshite Registered: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 323 Status: Offline |
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adam b wrote: Nah LUK are normally good. Do you deffo know that it was a LUK one fitted? Could be an oil leak on to the clutch plate from somewhere like the rocker gaskets. Also check that the box hasn't come loose from the engine. A cynic might say you've had two clutches from them and they have both gone wrong. Definately an LUK clutch, I was there when it was delivered and unpacked. If there had been an oil leak it wouldn't have been covered under warrenty so should be ok, I'll check the 'box is tight tomorrow but I think it will be. Can't think what else could cause it though! |
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Posted 17th Oct 2009 at 03:01
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adam b
Seasoned Pro Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #8
Broken springs in the clutch plate, sticking fork or cable.________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 17th Oct 2009 at 03:04
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mechanical_repairs
Seasoned Pro  Location: leicester Registered: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 12,122 Status: Offline |
Post #9
Luk clutches are normally ok,you may have high spots on the flywheel or a rear main oil seal leak and after a while these are the causes to your issue, you need to have the face skimmed on the flywheel itself to remove the high spots and check the seal whilst the flywheel is removed, then refit the clutch etc Carl ________________________________________ C.G.Cars of Leicester, Peugeot/Citroen/Renault specialist Tel: 01162 624498/07799 405184 WWW.CGCARSLEICESTER.CO.UK36 narborough road south, Leicester LE3 2fn MOT station now open, tests £35 with a free retest. Recovery available with a recovery unit, for those not so local jobs Also offer the loan of a free courtesy car 306 dturbo |
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Posted 17th Oct 2009 at 03:29
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cabbymeg
Regular Location: Alfreton/Derbyshite Registered: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 323 Status: Offline |
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mechanical_repairs wrote: Luk clutches are normally ok, you may have high spots on the flywheel or a rear main oil seal leak and after a while these are the causes to your issue, you need to have the face skimmed on the flywheel itself to remove the high spots and check the seal whilst the flywheel is removed, then refit the clutch etc Carl That was the lines I was thinking. Any ideas on cost and places to get the flywheel skimmed? Would I need to put another new clutch in or should this one be ok? |
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Posted 17th Oct 2009 at 03:34
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mechanical_repairs
Seasoned Pro Location: leicester Registered: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 12,122 Status: Offline |
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cabbymeg wrote: mechanical_repairs wrote: Luk clutches are normally ok, you may have high spots on the flywheel or a rear main oil seal leak and after a while these are the causes to your issue, you need to have the face skimmed on the flywheel itself to remove the high spots and check the seal whilst the flywheel is removed, then refit the clutch etc Carl That was the lines I was thinking. Any ideas on cost and places to get the flywheel skimmed? Would I need to put another new clutch in or should this one be ok? You would be looking at the cost to remove and refit the box, most engineering firms can skim a flywheel for you. I would say on average ________________________________________ C.G.Cars of Leicester, Peugeot/Citroen/Renault specialist Tel: 01162 624498/07799 405184 WWW.CGCARSLEICESTER.CO.UK36 narborough road south, Leicester LE3 2fn MOT station now open, tests £35 with a free retest. Recovery available with a recovery unit, for those not so local jobs Also offer the loan of a free courtesy car 306 dturbo |
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Posted 17th Oct 2009 at 03:44
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adam b
Seasoned Pro Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
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mechanical_repairs wrote: cabbymeg wrote: mechanical_repairs wrote: Luk clutches are normally ok, you may have high spots on the flywheel or a rear main oil seal leak and after a while these are the causes to your issue, you need to have the face skimmed on the flywheel itself to remove the high spots and check the seal whilst the flywheel is removed, then refit the clutch etc Carl That was the lines I was thinking. Any ideas on cost and places to get the flywheel skimmed? Would I need to put another new clutch in or should this one be ok? You would be looking at the cost to remove and refit the box, most engineering firms can skim a flywheel for you. I would say on average ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 17th Oct 2009 at 04:03
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cabbymeg
Regular Location: Alfreton/Derbyshite Registered: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 323 Status: Offline |
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quote: [quote="mechanical_repairs]You would be looking at the cost to remove and refit the box, most engineering firms can skim a flywheel for you. I would say on average
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Posted 17th Oct 2009 at 04:08
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro  Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,894 Status: Offline |
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bobdylan_55 wrote: arnt LUK them ones off ebay which the springs fly out of after like 80 miles? LUK make sachs as far as i know. ________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 17th Oct 2009 at 16:24
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mechanical_repairs
Seasoned Pro Location: leicester Registered: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 12,122 Status: Offline |
Post #15
The new clutch will start to pick up on the hotspots on the flywheel or if its oil related will start to get covered in it.Carl ________________________________________ C.G.Cars of Leicester, Peugeot/Citroen/Renault specialist Tel: 01162 624498/07799 405184 WWW.CGCARSLEICESTER.CO.UK36 narborough road south, Leicester LE3 2fn MOT station now open, tests £35 with a free retest. Recovery available with a recovery unit, for those not so local jobs Also offer the loan of a free courtesy car 306 dturbo |
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Posted 17th Oct 2009 at 21:02
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gtisid
Seasoned Pro  Location: chelmsford Registered: 22 Mar 2003 Posts: 4,992 Status: Offline |
Post #16
did they do the cheeky thing and just replace the plate ? or did they replace the cover too?. i had this a few years back and with a new cover and clutch the problem was solved. if not your flywheel needs skimmimg as carl mentioned. better still put one of the lightened ones in________________________________________ puglessPhase 1 GTI 6 1996-1997 Subaru Impreza GB270 2007-2008 rare spiderman comics same day international courier |
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Posted 18th Oct 2009 at 12:46
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cabbymeg
Regular Location: Alfreton/Derbyshite Registered: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 323 Status: Offline |
Post #17
Bit more info on this guys. Now the temperature outside has dropped the clutch judder has improved, but only when the car is cold. 5 minutes or so into a journey and the problem starts again, steadily getting worse. Does this shed any more light on it? I'm going to rip it apart this weekend so fingers crossed i'll sort it! |
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Posted 25th Nov 2009 at 16:16
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will130787
Seasoned Pro  Location: Reading Registered: 24 Sep 2009 Posts: 3,933 Status: Offline |
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cabbymeg wrote: Bit more info on this guys. Now the temperature outside has dropped the clutch judder has improved, but only when the car is cold. 5 minutes or so into a journey and the problem starts again, steadily getting worse. Does this shed any more light on it? I'm going to rip it apart this weekend so fingers crossed i'll sort it! gotta be an oil leak then surely? The oil gets warm and seeps through somewhere.... ________________________________________ Ex Astor 6 owner Also an Ex owner of a Bianca 6 Now an ex owner of a 2005 9-3 2.0T 210bhp Aero Swedish Saloon thing!! Soon to be 250bhp....  Now driving Mk5 Golf GTTdi, mile muncher But still live for the 306  |
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Posted 25th Nov 2009 at 19:53
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andrewrallye
Newbie  Location: Swansea Registered: 01 Oct 2009 Posts: 50 Status: Offline |
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There is the possibility that the clutch/gearbox splines are dirty, it depends how meticulous the mechanic was when he fitted the clutch. This may be stopping the plate from fully disengaging and breaking drive. Clutches are made and lifed as a unit these days, generally a three piece kit, plate, cover and bearing, and sold as that so I would suspect that they fitted the whole lot. One other thing, a bent input shaft could cause the same thing but the fault would be there all the time.________________________________________ E reg 205GTI non sunroof maybe for sale m.o.t'd ideal rally, trackday car, also have 6 engine and box available |
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Posted 27th Nov 2009 at 15:11
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cabbymeg
Regular Location: Alfreton/Derbyshite Registered: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 323 Status: Offline |
Post #20
Right, i'm just in the middle of removing the box and i've noticed LOADS of play in the clutch arm, where it goes down into the box. Could this be the cause? |
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Posted 27th Nov 2009 at 17:59
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jaydog81
Regular  Location: york Registered: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 351 Status: Offline |
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You mean the arm that the cable connects to.If so most have about 1" of play dude ________________________________________ *jay81.Phase 2.5/S-99 Team i live for working,Paying bills and funding my hobbies. I wish my life could be just living for a pink "I love the 6 sticker".  |
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Posted 28th Nov 2009 at 02:44
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andrewrallye
Newbie Location: Swansea Registered: 01 Oct 2009 Posts: 50 Status: Offline |
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Do you get any vibes through the pedal?________________________________________ E reg 205GTI non sunroof maybe for sale m.o.t'd ideal rally, trackday car, also have 6 engine and box available |
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Posted 28th Nov 2009 at 02:48
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cwspellowe
Seasoned Pro  Location: Calderbank Registered: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 6,496 Status: Offline |
Post #23
I was getting a lot of vibration in the pedal and it turned out the sheath on the cheapo clutch cable i'd fitted had melted so it wouldn't return properly.Just a thought..? ________________________________________ Bye bye Sundance Kid |
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Posted 28th Nov 2009 at 03:11
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james naylor
Newbie Location: keighley Registered: 26 Jul 2009 Posts: 19 Status: Offline |
Post #24
mine does exactly the same and its cos my flywheel is warped!!! |
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Posted 28th Nov 2009 at 04:06
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anthony_p_59
Senior User  Location: . Registered: 27 Mar 2009 Posts: 714 Status: Offline |
Post #25
i've got a slight judder too, but it just comes and goes as it pleases, i've put it down to the general french engineering excuse, just like my squeeling heater fan  |
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Posted 28th Nov 2009 at 05:04
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