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 farmer
Seasoned Pro  Location: Southend On Sea Registered: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 2,245 Status: Offline |
Post #1
Having test fitted my new AP calipers to the car today, I now know that Team Dynamics 1.2s 15" do not fit over them (CP3307 calipers, 310mm 2piece rotors)What other options are there in 15" that have better clearance then TD's? Or shall I just give up and go to 16"? Cheers Chris ________________________________________ Long live the Sigma 6 Team Phase 1 supercharged XBL ID: farmer uk1 |
 Posted 13th Jul 2009 at 01:00
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tabbbster
Seasoned Pro  Location: Turriff Registered: 04 Nov 2005 Posts: 3,826 Status: Offline |
Post #2
Sound's like its going to have to be some 16's.  However someone will be along to tell us otherwise.  I do have a set of TD pro 1.2's that I may sell at some point soon.  ________________________________________ My Rallye was built on thursday 7th January 1999 according to the cosmic code generator.My Cyclone refurb |
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Posted 13th Jul 2009 at 00:41
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farmer
Seasoned Pro Location: Southend On Sea Registered: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 2,245 Status: Offline |
Post #3
Problem is that my std calipers are f00ked, and I am going away to the 'Ring in 2 weeks, so I need 2 sets of wheels within 2 weeks, or another set of std calipers and sack the ap's off for the time being.  ________________________________________ Long live the Sigma 6Team Phase 1 supercharged XBL ID: farmer uk1 |
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Posted 13th Jul 2009 at 01:02
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fletch
Track Head  Location: The nearest Shell garage Registered: 12 Jun 2004 Posts: 12,273 Status: Offline |
Post #4
Compomotive CXRs are hard to beat. Massive clearance and extremeley light wheels. Look great in matt black   |
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Posted 13th Jul 2009 at 01:07
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fletch
Track Head Location: The nearest Shell garage Registered: 12 Jun 2004 Posts: 12,273 Status: Offline |
Post #5
Ah are you talking about disc to wheel clearance as with 310mm I think you'll struggle.I assumed you were talking lateral caliper to wheel clearance. |
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Posted 13th Jul 2009 at 01:09
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farmer
Seasoned Pro Location: Southend On Sea Registered: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 2,245 Status: Offline |
Post #6
Sorry Matt, I should have made that clear. I think the spoke clearance will be fine tbh, its just the size of the buggers.My TD's are very close to fitting, its just the part on the inside near to the spokes is slightly smaller then the rest of the internal area. ________________________________________ Long live the Sigma 6Team Phase 1 supercharged XBL ID: farmer uk1 |
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Posted 13th Jul 2009 at 01:16
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fletch
Track Head Location: The nearest Shell garage Registered: 12 Jun 2004 Posts: 12,273 Status: Offline |
Post #7
16" TDS? |
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Posted 13th Jul 2009 at 01:43
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Denis
Regular  Location: Cambridge Registered: 07 Sep 2004 Posts: 491 Status: Offline |
Post #8
Chris,Sorry to hear that, I have CP3307 with 295 discs and Pro Race 1.2 have about 5mm of clearance. Pro Race 2 ________________________________________ Cherry Red Rallye Project threadWhiteBMW M140i |
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Posted 13th Jul 2009 at 02:33
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro  Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #9
I have 315mm discs under 15's! I could have fit 325mm discs if I could have found some for a reasonable price. Another option is to get brackets made up which will set the caliper further towards the inner arch. Down side is that you will also need new bells but the brackets and bells may well cost less than a new set of wheels. If not I have speedline Type 2020- expensive but they are ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 13th Jul 2009 at 03:17
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SteviePut
Seasoned Pro  Location: Down south Registered: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 13,637 Status: Offline |
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I've a spare set of standard calipers you can borrow if needs be too. Let me know________________________________________ My old man wrote me a letter from prison once. It said if you don't want to end up in here, stay away from crime, women and drugs. Trouble is, that don't leave you much else to do, does it? |
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Posted 13th Jul 2009 at 03:12
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farmer
Seasoned Pro Location: Southend On Sea Registered: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 2,245 Status: Offline |
Post #11
fletch wrote: 16" TDS? I have been hunting about on the 'bay for any lightweight 16" wheels tonight going for a bargin, but no such luck yet. Im not massivly fussed what the road wheels are like, but I would like lightweight wheels for track atleast. ________________________________________ Long live the Sigma 6Team Phase 1 supercharged XBL ID: farmer uk1 |
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Posted 13th Jul 2009 at 03:36
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farmer
Seasoned Pro Location: Southend On Sea Registered: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 2,245 Status: Offline |
Post #12
russian guy wrote: Chris,
Sorry to hear that, I have CP3307 with 295 discs and Pro Race 1.2 have about 5mm of clearance. Pro Race 2 ________________________________________ Long live the Sigma 6Team Phase 1 supercharged XBL ID: farmer uk1 |
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Posted 13th Jul 2009 at 03:36
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farmer
Seasoned Pro Location: Southend On Sea Registered: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 2,245 Status: Offline |
Post #13
pete_rallye wrote: I have 315mm discs under 15's! I could have fit 325mm discs if I could have found some for a reasonable price. Another option is to get brackets made up which will set the caliper further towards the inner arch. Down side is that you will also need new bells but the brackets and bells may well cost less than a new set of wheels.
If not I have speedline Type 2020- expensive but they are ________________________________________ Long live the Sigma 6Team Phase 1 supercharged XBL ID: farmer uk1 |
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Posted 13th Jul 2009 at 03:40
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farmer
Seasoned Pro Location: Southend On Sea Registered: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 2,245 Status: Offline |
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SteviePut wrote: I've a spare set of standard calipers you can borrow if needs be too. Let me know Cheers for the offer Steve  I will speak to Denis first and let you know. ________________________________________ Long live the Sigma 6Team Phase 1 supercharged XBL ID: farmer uk1 |
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Posted 13th Jul 2009 at 03:40
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Denis
Regular Location: Cambridge Registered: 07 Sep 2004 Posts: 491 Status: Offline |
Post #15
CP3307 are lug mounted ________________________________________ Cherry Red Rallye Project threadWhiteBMW M140i |
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Posted 13th Jul 2009 at 03:42
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #16
I would give it a go first, spacer the caliper back, and then also, just using 4 bolts or so, space the disc back as well from the bell, get it as close to the ball joint as you can (leave a mm or 2 for movement during cornering). If it fits and the wheels fit then let us know how much you have spacered them back, send us a bell and I should be able to get some made in a few days (can't guarantee it though). Alternatively do the same and take them to a local engineering firm and they will be able to do the same. If you have time get the bells anodised to prevent them corroding. Another thought! Try compbrake for bells, very helpful ad will make whatever you ask for, not sure on timescales though.Oh, and if you have the same brakes as Denis, which are the same brakes I had, 295mm discs are plenty good enough, they were the best brake I ever had, inc the ones on my btcc car. Absolutely phenomenal stopping power for the size of the discs. Only thing I found was I got a lot of vibration through the wheel after a lot of hard braking. If you take the disc off, clean the hub and clean the grooves out on the disc, bit of emery paper on the disc and they were fine for the next 3 or 4 laps of the ring. ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 13th Jul 2009 at 03:58
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farmer
Seasoned Pro Location: Southend On Sea Registered: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 2,245 Status: Offline |
Post #17
I think they are the same calipers as Denis, but I can only ascertain that the mounting holes are drilled lower down the lug then his are to allow for running the larger disks.Otherwise I cant see how his fit and mine dont when we are using the same wheels. Thats a great idea for temp. testing the disk to bell offset pete, I will give that a go and let you know how I get on. I would love to squeeze these 310mm's under 15" rims. Not too fussed if I have to ditch the cyclones, but want to keep my TD's and I like the fact that the tyres are cheap (in comparison to larger sizes) ________________________________________ Long live the Sigma 6Team Phase 1 supercharged XBL ID: farmer uk1 |
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Posted 13th Jul 2009 at 03:59
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #18
Mine used to have 298mm discs on, I kept spacing the (radial mount) caliper out until it was within a few mm of the wheel, couldn't believe it whe I measured up and found I could fit 325mm discs on, couldn't believe it even more when I saw the prices of 325mm discs! Luckily Compbrake do some cheaper discs, but only did 315mmx28mm. Decided to give them a go for the half the price of the AP or Alcon equivalents. ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 13th Jul 2009 at 04:18
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Denis
Regular Location: Cambridge Registered: 07 Sep 2004 Posts: 491 Status: Offline |
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pete_rallye wrote: Oh, and if you have the same brakes as Denis, which are the same brakes I had, 295mm discs are plenty good enough, they were the best brake I ever had, inc the ones on my btcc car. Absolutely phenomenal stopping power for the size of the discs. Only thing I found was I got a lot of vibration through the wheel after a lot of hard braking. If you take the disc off, clean the hub and clean the grooves out on the disc, bit of emery paper on the disc and they were fine for the next 3 or 4 laps of the ring. It is the servo assistance Pete. Ash used these brakes on his race car with a proper pedal box and they were ok but lacking feel and bite. After we put them on my Rallye, with standard servo, completely different: excellent stopping power and instant bite. When on usual road tyres in the dry, you can stamp on the brake pedal @70mph and the wheels lock up before ABS has time to react  I have Compbrake rotors right now (half the price of AP), but they lasted only one set of CL RC6 pads (that is ~1500 track miles + ~8k road). I do not actually have any vibration problems. These are the first brakes that I have used that can do 200 miles on a race track and feel exactly the same on the way home as they did in the morning  ________________________________________ Cherry Red Rallye Project threadWhiteBMW M140i |
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Posted 13th Jul 2009 at 04:33
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #20
I've not found any unassisted brakes that don't feel wooden yet. Just changed to DS1.11 pads from DS3000 and they are a major improvement. Strange, both the other guys with the btcc cars have vibration problems after continuous hard use, maybe your not trying hard enough?!  ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 13th Jul 2009 at 22:59
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Denis
Regular Location: Cambridge Registered: 07 Sep 2004 Posts: 491 Status: Offline |
Post #21
Try harder you say  Actually ________________________________________ Cherry Red Rallye Project threadWhiteBMW M140i |
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Posted 13th Jul 2009 at 23:33
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tom tom go
Tom Tom GONE!!  Location: Doncaster Registered: 29 May 2008 Posts: 1,926 Status: Offline |
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that is a sweet picture. Do you mind if i steal it for my wallpaper ? ________________________________________ Cherry RALLYE |
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Posted 14th Jul 2009 at 00:10
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farmer
Seasoned Pro Location: Southend On Sea Registered: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 2,245 Status: Offline |
Post #23
Right, armed with the suggestion from Pete, this evening I set about seeing how far I could space the rotors back from the bells.Managed to get to 16mm back, and could still have gone another 4mm or so I think, but stopped there. Looks tighter then it is, although the balljoint is inside the rotor area now but clearance is fine.    Having now decided on 16mm spacing comfortably suiting the rotor, I spaced the caliper 16mm back off the hub. Unfortunatly though, I couldn't fit the cailper at the same time as the rotor / bell as the bell itself was then hitting the caliper. So I took off the disk and just fitted the caliper, spaced 16mm back, then test fitted the wheel.... Lo and behold!  Wheel spins fine, acres of clearance from the spokes (that area was never an issue anyway) and just about enough clearance on the inside of the rim. Just to double check the disks would be fine, I removed the caliper, and re-fitted the offeset bells and rotors with wheels on.  So, going off that discovery today, I feel happy and coinfident that if I can get some bells made up that will offset 16mm on the outer lip I should be able to run these babys under 15's Cyclones will have to go though, no chance at all! And, looking at the space I have from rotor edge to inside of the caliper when they are fitted straight to the car, I think I could squeeze 315mm rotors under there too, but I will concentrate on just getting them fitted to the car full stop first! ________________________________________ Long live the Sigma 6Team Phase 1 supercharged XBL ID: farmer uk1 |
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Posted 15th Jul 2009 at 00:40
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Denis
Regular Location: Cambridge Registered: 07 Sep 2004 Posts: 491 Status: Offline |
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tom tom go wrote: that is a sweet picture. Do you mind if i steal it for my wallpaper ? Don ________________________________________ Cherry Red Rallye Project threadWhiteBMW M140i |
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Posted 14th Jul 2009 at 04:04
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Denis
Regular Location: Cambridge Registered: 07 Sep 2004 Posts: 491 Status: Offline |
Post #25
Chris, that is looking very good! The other options is to fit 16mm spacer for the wheel itself. ________________________________________ Cherry Red Rallye Project threadWhiteBMW M140i |
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Posted 14th Jul 2009 at 04:06
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