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welshpug!

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Post #101
25mm?! Only needed 8mm on the few ive helped with

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Posted 2nd Sep 2014 at 09:58
pug_306

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Post #102
Ah just looked mine was 15mm and has been perfect with no issues at all i tried 10mm and was too close :-)

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Posted 2nd Sep 2014 at 12:25
calibra306

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Post #103
allanallen wrote:
The 205 v6 I've seen didn't have a lowered subframe. Perhaps the engine was slightly higher or tilted? Maybe even different cv inner?

Calibra, how much is it lowered?
will check later. I had the conversion done by pug1off as it was originally done by previous owner and it was terrible with clearance ie steering rack pipes pretty much touching exhaust manifolds. part of down pipe squashed. The inlet manifold had a chunck
out of it to clear brake servo was a mess as also engine was not at correct angle.
Took to pug1off and had it all stripped out inc a replacement engine and gearbox for peace of mind.

Will have a measure up later and pics

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Posted 2nd Sep 2014 at 13:34
clen666

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Post #104
Are you able to fabricate those rear beam mounts that Martin had that lowered the ride hight?

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Posted 22nd Sep 2014 at 13:48
allanallen

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Post #105
I believe we still have the jigs to do them yes. They'd be a one off and not overly cheap though unfortunately. You need to be aware the shell also requires trimming around some of the seams to get the beam back on Wink

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Posted 25th Sep 2014 at 07:23
clen666

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Post #106
Ok, something for me to think about anyway.

I'll be after some other rear beam work so will pm you about it soon.

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Posted 25th Sep 2014 at 16:03
fatlapit

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Post #107
can you machine the toe out of my rear arms please as they are dangerous?

cheers chris

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Posted 25th Sep 2014 at 19:32
allanallen

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Post #108
Dangerous? Which arms are they?

What are you after exactly? I'm sure we can help.

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Posted 25th Sep 2014 at 20:01
fatlapit

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Post #109
its midlifes beam from his rallye.
i just want no toe. above 100mph its too dangerous for me.
i think the toe makes the back end very nervous. the camber is spot on though.

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Posted 25th Sep 2014 at 20:55
fatlapit

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Post #110
apparently martin (crf 450) origionally did the arms

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Posted 25th Sep 2014 at 20:58
welshpug!

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Post #111
dangerous?! LOL

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Posted 25th Sep 2014 at 21:56
jamiek_uk2000

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Post #112
Wouldn't it be easier to sell those arms and get another set cambered?

What degree of toe are they then?

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Posted 25th Sep 2014 at 22:22
pete_rallye

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Post #113
Take it they toe out and not in? Were they made like that or are they arms from another model?

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Posted 25th Sep 2014 at 22:24
welshpug!

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Post #114
Quite likely made to replicate some of the Touring Car setups which ran toe out and handled rather interestingly!

There are no standard trailing arms of any PSA vehicle that fit which would give anything less than Zero tow in, most are three degrees or more IIRC.

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Posted 25th Sep 2014 at 22:28
pete_rallye

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Post #115
I've run toe out at the back of mine and its butt clenchingly scary at times, 'don't lift' is all I say to myself as I go round. It is quick though! Wouldn't run it toe out in the wet though, that would be dangerous!

Didn't think there were any standard arms that toe'd out, I ran some ZX ones which I think were 0 toe.

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Posted 25th Sep 2014 at 22:36
welshpug!

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Post #116
yeah, its only the ZX that had zero toe, 306's ran 3, Xsara 5 I think!


wasn't a rare sight at all to see a BTCC 306 to be backing it into corners, lift, point at apex, pin it! Crazy

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Posted 25th Sep 2014 at 22:46
allanallen

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Post #117
fatlapit wrote:
apparently martin (crf 450) origionally did the arms


What toe are they running then? I'd imagine they're running 4.2mm toe in (same as as standard gti6) when the arm is parralell. This makes the back end feel very stable at speed, parallel will make it livelier, toe out will make it deadly unless you know what you're doing. I think you need to look at the rest of your set up first before deeming the arms dangerous. I'm glad to help if I can.

Arms that have been modded cannot be re-machined. There's various arms we've done floating about, with varying geometry at varying ride heights so you need to be sure of what you're buying. Mid life's will be martins original spec anything different has the geometry stamped onto the face behind the caliper bracket.

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Posted 26th Sep 2014 at 06:55
fatlapit

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Post #118
it is deadly i had an off at castle coombe at 130 due to the backend wanting to overtake the front. there is alot of toe in. apparently it is the exact same spec as martins.

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Posted 26th Sep 2014 at 12:54
fatlapit

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Post #119
so what can we do to make a more stable rear end? bearing in mind the cars very much quicker than your average 306

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Posted 26th Sep 2014 at 12:56
welshpug!

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Post #120
More wheel travel and better dampers.

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Posted 26th Sep 2014 at 13:00
allanallen

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Post #121
Yep, same as martins as I looked into it. What's the full spec of the car, ride height, rake, tyres, hot pressures etc etc. was your incident over Avon rise?

How much toe in have you got? Toe in makes it more stable at speed

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Posted 26th Sep 2014 at 13:01
fatlapit

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Post #122
just getting the values measured now

nope it was the kink on the start and finish lol

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Posted 26th Sep 2014 at 13:04
allanallen

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Post #123
I think you need to adjust your driving style then to be honest.

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Posted 26th Sep 2014 at 13:07
fatlapit

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Post #124
what being full throttle and being mid corner then for no reason the rear steps out aye definately

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Posted 26th Sep 2014 at 13:14
fatlapit

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Post #125
also next to pebbleses gti6 there is more toe than standard

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