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 ecureuil_zx16v
Regular  Location: BRAZIL Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 256 Status: Offline |
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 "Every 19 seconds, Metz Borny knocks out an MA five-speed gearbox - 160 N.m/118 lb ft maximum torque capacity - and has produced 19 million since 1986. The MA is fitted to the Citro ________________________________________ Citroen ZX 16vXU10J4RS turbo |
 Posted 10th Nov 2008 at 07:42
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
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not sure of the MLC, but there is a gearbox used on the XU10J2TE (2.0 8v Turbo) engine that's not a BE (used in 406 Xantia XM)________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 10th Nov 2008 at 17:06
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midlife
Seasoned Pro  Location: Colne, Lancashire Registered: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 7,544 Status: Offline |
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I'm told that the bellhousing from the XU10J2TE (2.0 8v Turbo) engine mated to the ML box will fit the 6 engine, there is a thread on 205 drivers somewhere Edit, I was told this... quote: someone on drivers is fittin ML6c 6speed box from 407 v6 and 2.2hdi. He using bell housing from ml5t box from 406 2.0t to fit it to xu. The diff and shafts are huge, it hydraulic clutch and cable gears. Subframe needs modfing abit. Some people have kept cable operatin master cylinder mounted near battery. Word is cable gears is easy to fit, and smoother reliable.  ________________________________________ Get used to seeing the yellow one !!! Team 330™ Team "no front end or engine" Team "LIMITED EDITION" I live for the 306 sticker  Team 0-60 in 6.44 & standing qtr in 14.808 @ 94.55mph all with std engine 203bhp Corolla T-Sport daily driver stealthier than Kwai Chang Caine |
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Posted 10th Nov 2008 at 17:19
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puglover
Banned! Location: Far out there Registered: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 6,095 Status: Offline |
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anyone know how much 406 xtrac boxes are? they are sequential. Vic lee racing made some adaptors for s16 engines to run these but im guessing they is bloody expensive |
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Posted 11th Nov 2008 at 23:56
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miles
Seasoned Pro  Location: Ringwood Registered: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 3,433 Status: Offline |
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ML boxes are fitted to the XU10J2TE engine, the bell housing is different and that's all,Considering they share the design with the MA box they are pretty bullet proof. The Diff's are different thou depending on the engine type out output. ________________________________________ 306 Rallye Sptint/Race Car, 205 CTI 1.9 8v to name a fewRoad, Track and Race/Rally car preparation to your personal requirements, Full Workshop & Diagnostic Facilities New and Second parts, from Plugs to Turbo's We now also carry out Routine Servicing www.pugracing.com & FB Page, https://www.facebook.com/PugRacing Ebay; http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Pug-Racing-Shop 2012/2013/2014/2019 Class Winners at Gurston Down Speed Hillclimb & Joint overall, Class record too along the way, |
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Posted 12th Nov 2008 at 03:27
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puglover
Banned! Location: Far out there Registered: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 6,095 Status: Offline |
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main reason ive dropped this idea is i cant find any LSD diffs for these boxes  |
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Posted 12th Nov 2008 at 03:33
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miles
Seasoned Pro Location: Ringwood Registered: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 3,433 Status: Offline |
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Quaife list one________________________________________ 306 Rallye Sptint/Race Car, 205 CTI 1.9 8v to name a fewRoad, Track and Race/Rally car preparation to your personal requirements, Full Workshop & Diagnostic Facilities New and Second parts, from Plugs to Turbo's We now also carry out Routine Servicing www.pugracing.com & FB Page, https://www.facebook.com/PugRacing Ebay; http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Pug-Racing-Shop 2012/2013/2014/2019 Class Winners at Gurston Down Speed Hillclimb & Joint overall, Class record too along the way, |
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Posted 13th Nov 2008 at 00:50
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puglover
Banned! Location: Far out there Registered: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 6,095 Status: Offline |
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not for the 407 they dont |
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Posted 13th Nov 2008 at 02:32
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
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they don't have to, I doubt there's not much demand!!but if its an ML box there's a good chance it'll fit. they probably dont list it for the Citroen XM or Xantia but it'll fit  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 13th Nov 2008 at 04:50
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ecureuil_zx16v
Regular Location: BRAZIL Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 256 Status: Offline |
Post #10
and what about the gear ratios for these gearboxes? ________________________________________ Citroen ZX 16vXU10J4RS turbo |
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Posted 17th Nov 2008 at 06:26
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
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There is a lot of information on Servicebox.CP as far as I can see in the 406 is all 16 x 69 regardless of what engine they are fitted to, whether is be XUD11 or XU10J2TE or ES9J4. XUD and XU are the same bellhousing DW10 has different bellhousing, unsure if XU's will fit that pattern. Another interesting fact, XUD11 and XU10J2TE both use the same clutch, though there are 2 sizes listed, 230mm and 235mm friction plate! (still smaller than the ES9J4's 242mm plate  )Move on to the ML6 CJ box in the 407 and there are no XU/XUD bellhousings, only EW/DW/ES, these I'm unsure will fit the XU, or whether the bellhousing from the ML5 can be fitted to the ML6. CP's vary, 14x69 on the EW12, 14x67 on the ES9, 17x71 on the DW10 and DW12. plenty to get on with  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 17th Nov 2008 at 15:24
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monty-69
Senior User  Location: Colne Registered: 02 Jul 2006 Posts: 790 Status: Offline |
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We need a guinee pig or joint venture to get hold of a ml6 box and check the ml5 bell housing will fit, clutch compatibility, wheel clearance etc. Can always sell it if its a no go. Im sure someone will have an ml5 knocking about cheap. Then its a case of gathering interest on here, 205 drivers, aussie frogs etc and speaking to mr quaife(website says they welcome customer requests). Would also be worth looking into the gear ratios between v6 and hdi boxes and whether the gears are stronger in the higher powered c5 hdis(think 270lbft). |
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Posted 20th Nov 2008 at 00:53
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miles
Seasoned Pro Location: Ringwood Registered: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 3,433 Status: Offline |
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The diff is here http://www.quaife.co.uk/Peugeot-Boxer-ME5TU-gearbox-only-differential ________________________________________ 306 Rallye Sptint/Race Car, 205 CTI 1.9 8v to name a fewRoad, Track and Race/Rally car preparation to your personal requirements, Full Workshop & Diagnostic Facilities New and Second parts, from Plugs to Turbo's We now also carry out Routine Servicing www.pugracing.com & FB Page, https://www.facebook.com/PugRacing Ebay; http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Pug-Racing-Shop 2012/2013/2014/2019 Class Winners at Gurston Down Speed Hillclimb & Joint overall, Class record too along the way, |
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Posted 20th Nov 2008 at 00:25
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
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mc calikkyhow random, who the hell would want a slippy diff for a boxer van ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 20th Nov 2008 at 00:39
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midlife
Seasoned Pro Location: Colne, Lancashire Registered: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 7,544 Status: Offline |
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So are you saying that atb diff will fit the ml6c box Miles________________________________________ Get used to seeing the yellow one !!!Team 330™ Team "no front end or engine" Team "LIMITED EDITION" I live for the 306 sticker Team 0-60 in 6.44 & standing qtr in 14.808 @ 94.55mph all with std engine 203bhp Corolla T-Sport daily driver stealthier than Kwai Chang Caine |
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Posted 20th Nov 2008 at 00:53
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puglover
Banned! Location: Far out there Registered: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 6,095 Status: Offline |
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miles??ive emailed them anyway to see if they would make one but as there website says they need a quantity order to do it but sometimes will do one offs. |
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Posted 21st Nov 2008 at 00:43
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miles
Seasoned Pro Location: Ringwood Registered: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 3,433 Status: Offline |
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That was my first thought, But I have been told this by a very very good source which I have no reason not to believe________________________________________ 306 Rallye Sptint/Race Car, 205 CTI 1.9 8v to name a fewRoad, Track and Race/Rally car preparation to your personal requirements, Full Workshop & Diagnostic Facilities New and Second parts, from Plugs to Turbo's We now also carry out Routine Servicing www.pugracing.com & FB Page, https://www.facebook.com/PugRacing Ebay; http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Pug-Racing-Shop 2012/2013/2014/2019 Class Winners at Gurston Down Speed Hillclimb & Joint overall, Class record too along the way, |
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Posted 21st Nov 2008 at 03:02
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puglover
Banned! Location: Far out there Registered: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 6,095 Status: Offline |
Post #18
they will make us a diff for the ML6 if i can get an order of 10+IS anyone interested IF we can prove the box will fit? ill get the ball rolling shall i 1. puglover 2. midlife  |
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Posted 21st Nov 2008 at 21:26
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cosmic spanner
Moral objector  Location: North London Registered: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 10,399 Status: Offline |
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Just out of sheer curiosity, anyone know how this gearbox compares to the BE for size? I mean, would there still be the "lock" issue in a 306, would it get better/worse? ________________________________________ Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch....Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. Project é - my 306 project thread. |
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Posted 21st Nov 2008 at 19:05
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puglover
Banned! Location: Far out there Registered: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 6,095 Status: Offline |
Post #20
from what i know the subframe needs abit of chopping to accomodate the diff but these are 205 lads with gti6 engines. So there subframes may well be smaller. cant see the box actually being any longer than the six box though. |
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Posted 21st Nov 2008 at 21:19
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miles
Seasoned Pro Location: Ringwood Registered: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 3,433 Status: Offline |
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You'll also need different inner drive shafts too________________________________________ 306 Rallye Sptint/Race Car, 205 CTI 1.9 8v to name a fewRoad, Track and Race/Rally car preparation to your personal requirements, Full Workshop & Diagnostic Facilities New and Second parts, from Plugs to Turbo's We now also carry out Routine Servicing www.pugracing.com & FB Page, https://www.facebook.com/PugRacing Ebay; http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Pug-Racing-Shop 2012/2013/2014/2019 Class Winners at Gurston Down Speed Hillclimb & Joint overall, Class record too along the way, |
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Posted 21st Nov 2008 at 23:26
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puglover
Banned! Location: Far out there Registered: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 6,095 Status: Offline |
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how much do you know about this conversion miles?? |
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Posted 21st Nov 2008 at 23:38
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monty-69
Senior User Location: Colne Registered: 02 Jul 2006 Posts: 790 Status: Offline |
Post #23
205v6.com is handy for pics on driveshafts an subframe etc  |
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Posted 21st Nov 2008 at 23:58
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monty-69
Senior User Location: Colne Registered: 02 Jul 2006 Posts: 790 Status: Offline |
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A qoute from the 205 forumJust wondering if anyone has any info about which cars had the best BE3 casings. The problem I have is that the standard 205 casings start to split around the diff area once power/torque reaches over 230ish. I as looking at the gti6 box the other day and noticed loads of hairline cracks in the alloy diff casing, is this crap alloy surface cracks or terminal? |
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Posted 4th Dec 2008 at 00:21
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #25
usually just crap casting marks not actual cracks, you'd know about cracking ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 4th Dec 2008 at 04:13
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