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 maddriver9
Regular  Location: nr leek Registered: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 341 Status: Offline |
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havin some trouble with gear change from 1st into 2nd at hi revs. it crunchs if you let it hit the limiter, just wondered if it could be the sincrowmesh or something else,or if any1 else has had a similer problem and if its an easy fix as i dont really wont to start striping down the gear box for nothin cheers  ________________________________________ 178bhp 205gti6¼ mile in 14.2 |
 Posted 8th May 2008 at 00:30
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scottie
Regular  Location: Ripley Registered: 07 Feb 2008 Posts: 113 Status: Offline |
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Dont hit the limiter? ________________________________________ Cars dont get older, they just get lower!! |
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Posted 8th May 2008 at 01:02
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maddriver9
Regular Location: nr leek Registered: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 341 Status: Offline |
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yeah but it shouldnt do it any way even if i only rev to 6800 it still crunches but not in any other gears________________________________________ 178bhp 205gti6¼ mile in 14.2 |
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Posted 8th May 2008 at 01:08
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mankee
Regular  Location: Suffolk Registered: 31 Dec 2004 Posts: 232 Status: Offline |
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Shagged syncro. Gearboxes often get raped changing from first into second at high revs and the syncros get hammered. |
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Posted 8th May 2008 at 02:30
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miles
Seasoned Pro  Location: Ringwood Registered: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 3,433 Status: Offline |
Post #5
It's more than likly the spring clip on the hub, The syncro's very rarely give any problems________________________________________ 306 Rallye Sptint/Race Car, 205 CTI 1.9 8v to name a fewRoad, Track and Race/Rally car preparation to your personal requirements, Full Workshop & Diagnostic Facilities New and Second parts, from Plugs to Turbo's We now also carry out Routine Servicing www.pugracing.com & FB Page, https://www.facebook.com/PugRacing Ebay; http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Pug-Racing-Shop 2012/2013/2014/2019 Class Winners at Gurston Down Speed Hillclimb & Joint overall, Class record too along the way, |
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Posted 8th May 2008 at 03:30
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mabgti
NV motors  Location: Bham tunnel @7400rpm Registered: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 9,127 Status: Offline |
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miles wrote: It's more than likly the spring clip on the hub, The syncro's very rarely give any problems Spring clip? affect gearchange? ________________________________________ Team Supercharged Gti-6NV Motorsport Automotive Performance Tuning 0121 448 7515 ECU Remapping/ DPF removal VAG/BMW Diag and Option Coding Peugeot Planet ECU coding/transponder programming etc www.nvmotorsport.com Facebook Page Project S6 |
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Posted 8th May 2008 at 04:39
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rich_w
Seasoned Pro  Location: Havant, Hampshire Registered: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 5,412 Status: Offline |
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mabgti wrote: miles wrote: It's more than likly the spring clip on the hub, The syncro's very rarely give any problems Spring clip? affect gearchange? Spring clip on the syncro-hub, not the wheel hub  ________________________________________ Contact Details:rich@lynxpowerengineering.co.uk 07732 822546 |
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Posted 8th May 2008 at 05:43
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smighall
Smeg-all  Location: b*tching and Whinging Registered: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 10,012 Status: Offline |
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mabgti wrote: miles wrote: It's more than likly the spring clip on the hub, The syncro's very rarely give any problems Spring clip? affect gearchange?  ________________________________________  Seat Leon Cupra FR / 306 GTI6 / Breaking 205 GTI6 / Caterham 7 / Mercedes Sprinter 311CDI LWB Sold: Fisher Fury - Laguna DCI Estate - P1 306 XSI - E30 BMW 325i Baur Convertible - Daihatsu Fourtack - Suzuki GSXR600 - 205 Rallye |
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Posted 8th May 2008 at 05:48
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #9
Another vote for the spring clip on the syncho-hub.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 11th May 2008 at 06:53
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smaller
Regular  Location: London Registered: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 148 Status: Offline |
Post #10
Rather than start a new thread, decided an almighty resurrection was in order Essentially I'm having a similar problem, though not letting it hit the limiter by any stretch of the imagination! I recently changed the gearbox oil (75w80) Halfords own brand - will this stuff be utter cack? Would it be recommended that I get some stuff from a dealer? If it turns out to the spring clip on the sychro hub - how would I go about fixing this? A search didn't appear to throw up any answers... Cheers in advance guys  ________________________________________ Blaze 6Keep It Standard |
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Posted 16th Apr 2010 at 18:47
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6waysforward
Seasoned Pro  Location: Benfleet essex Registered: 30 Oct 2005 Posts: 3,168 Status: Offline |
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my old 6 used to do it. i just changed the clutch and all was fine.________________________________________ ***Breaking*** Ph3 Silver GTI 6 High Boost |
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Posted 17th Apr 2010 at 23:25
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iplay
Seasoned Pro  Location: Number Wang Registered: 18 May 2006 Posts: 3,268 Status: Offline |
Post #12
Worn gear linkages can cause notchy gear changes/selection. Even new ones don't last long. I changed gear linkages 3 years ago (30,000 miles) and they were worn. The new linkages transformed gear changes/selection again and removed any trace of notchyness. Lubricating the control return arm and rubber ball and the selection bar also helps. |
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Posted 18th Apr 2010 at 00:58
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smaller
Regular Location: London Registered: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 148 Status: Offline |
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Ok, cheers guys - thanks for the replies. It seems like it could be a number of things, but I'll probably start with the gear linkages. Then it'll be clutch or looking at the synchro hub spring, though still not exactly clear what this is!I'll try to remember to update this thread if and when I get the problem resolved. ________________________________________ Blaze 6Keep It Standard |
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Posted 18th Apr 2010 at 23:41
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jonnie205
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bicester Registered: 10 Apr 2005 Posts: 4,146 Status: Offline |
Post #14
to do the syncro hub spring will be a gearbox off and strip job, to do the clucth and then the gearbox build at a later date will be very labour intensive, best just get the box done and fit a new clutch at the same time |
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Posted 19th Apr 2010 at 00:24
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miles
Seasoned Pro Location: Ringwood Registered: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 3,433 Status: Offline |
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You can change the clip leaving the box in place, I;ve done a couple like this before but not the easiest of things to do.________________________________________ 306 Rallye Sptint/Race Car, 205 CTI 1.9 8v to name a fewRoad, Track and Race/Rally car preparation to your personal requirements, Full Workshop & Diagnostic Facilities New and Second parts, from Plugs to Turbo's We now also carry out Routine Servicing www.pugracing.com & FB Page, https://www.facebook.com/PugRacing Ebay; http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Pug-Racing-Shop 2012/2013/2014/2019 Class Winners at Gurston Down Speed Hillclimb & Joint overall, Class record too along the way, |
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Posted 19th Apr 2010 at 01:42
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rich-6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bottoming out! Registered: 06 May 2007 Posts: 5,306 Status: Offline |
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maddriver9 wrote: just wondered if it could be the sincrowmesh Got to say i laughed ________________________________________  RIP Pete Sims |
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Posted 19th Apr 2010 at 04:31
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jonnie205
Seasoned Pro Location: Bicester Registered: 10 Apr 2005 Posts: 4,146 Status: Offline |
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Posted 19th Apr 2010 at 14:57
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
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can you get the clip on its own like you can with the MA box? (IIRC...) not on my own computer so I can't check SB ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 19th Apr 2010 at 16:38
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smaller
Regular Location: London Registered: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 148 Status: Offline |
Post #19
Right, changed the gear linkages today with Miles'/PugRacing ones. Getting those clips in was a bit of bugger though - my patience was wearing thin by the end!While the overall feel of the changes is better, feeling more direct (less 'give' in the throw), I still have the same crunching when making a quick 1st to 2nd change... So it look like I'll need to get the gearbox off and change the clutch. I've never done this before, nor have I done any of the jobs that I've done over the last few months before, but have gained some confidence. Though changing the clutch should be relatively straight-forward (if a little labour intensive) from what I've read and from what I understand, the syncro hub spring - what's the deal with this? Will this involve opening up the gearbox itself? Any advice is welcome. Cheers Rob ________________________________________ Blaze 6Keep It Standard |
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Posted 25th Apr 2010 at 23:58
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orta
Senior User  Location: East Mids Registered: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 860 Status: Offline |
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I'm also getting a wee bit of crunching on shift. I've got a stiff clutch, but not as bad as some, so I think it may be this linkage issue? I'm not technically minded in any sense of the imagination. So if I asked my garage to change he gear linkages they'd know exactly what I meant and needed?________________________________________ CLUB BLACK RALLYE||B8s||60-70mm drop||Black Partner Steels||P1 VTS Rack||Refurbed Beam||Hybrid ARB||VTS Torsion Bar|| |
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Posted 9th May 2010 at 23:20
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smaller
Regular Location: London Registered: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 148 Status: Offline |
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orta wrote: I'm also getting a wee bit of crunching on shift. I've got a stiff clutch, but not as bad as some, so I think it may be this linkage issue? I'm not technically minded in any sense of the imagination. So if I asked my garage to change he gear linkages they'd know exactly what I meant and needed? Absolutely. Though I changed the gear linkages myself, I still consider myself to be a bit of a novice. The 'Idoit's Guide' may go something like this: the gear linkages are what connect the gear stick to the gearbox. There are 3 of them, 2 short ones and one long one. They connect to the gearbox's selector forks (my term - not sure if this is the official term mind you) by way of rubber bushes that are integrated into the gear links themselves. These bushes, like any rubber bushes, degrade over time, meaning one will have more 'play' or slack when attempting to change gear. New ones will eliminate this and make gear changes fell more direct, i.e. less like stirring custard! Reading someones's guide to changing the gear linkages here suggested that the hardest part was to remove the old ones adding a top tip which was to use a suitable-sized spanner to prise them off the metal balls on the selector forks. This was then quite easy. Fitting the new ones was slightly fiddly since I bought the bushless upgraded items (from Miles on here). I would suggest taking the battery tray out as this gives you loads of room to work in. I still intend to change the clutch as the gear linkages themselves haven't eradicated my problem... Let us know how you get on. Cheers Rob ________________________________________ Blaze 6Keep It Standard |
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Posted 10th May 2010 at 02:45
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smithers
Seasoned Pro  Location: Glasgow Registered: 22 Nov 2004 Posts: 1,016 Status: Offline |
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Got a similair issue with selecting gears but onl yafter a bit of a run when the oil has had a chance to heat up.T'is very notchy going through the gears and grinds going into reverse. Oil has recently been changed for pug stuff and has Miles linkages. Can get all gears + reverse no problem when the car is cold. Any sugestions?? Thinking of changing the clutch cable first. Cheers ________________________________________ 1997 Black GTi6smithers205 at hotmail.com |
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Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 12:36
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smithers
Seasoned Pro Location: Glasgow Registered: 22 Nov 2004 Posts: 1,016 Status: Offline |
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Update: not had a chance to change anything but problem has become worse today - ended up having to turn the engine off in order to select a gear at a junction - slipped into gear fine with engine off. What do ya'll reckon clutch or this spring thingymabob?Cheers ________________________________________ 1997 Black GTi6smithers205 at hotmail.com |
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Posted 27th Jan 2012 at 21:58
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footah212
Senior User  Location: Paisley Registered: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 861 Status: Offline |
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smithers wrote: Update: not had a chance to change anything but problem has become worse today - ended up having to turn the engine off in order to select a gear at a junction - slipped into gear fine with engine off. What do ya'll reckon clutch or this spring thingymabob? Cheers I'm no mechanic but if your having to switch off the engine then it sounds like the clutch to me ________________________________________ Phase 2 Blaze GTi6PS3 - Black Ops 2 Engine crane for hire Renfrewshire |
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Posted 27th Jan 2012 at 22:06
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footah212
Senior User Location: Paisley Registered: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 861 Status: Offline |
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My gears are good apart fro a hard downshift(track day) into 3rd gear, I asume this to be the 3rd gear sincro mesh. Is this correct?Edit : Its a lot better if i blip the throttle first If your a novice i would not recommend opening up a gearbox , just buy a second hand low mileage one. ________________________________________ Phase 2 Blaze GTi6PS3 - Black Ops 2 Engine crane for hire Renfrewshire |
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Posted 27th Jan 2012 at 22:08
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